Big Brother 18 - Premieres June 22

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

From what I read he was mostly obsessed with trying to find out if her breasts were fake. Sounds like she might just be fake all around.

Based on her Jets cheerleading pictures I don't think there's any doubt they are fake.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Is James a "fairly nice guy"? From what I understand much of the BB17 cast soured on him after the show. I'm not really sure he's that gullible... he talks about wanting to win AFP constantly, casuals tend to love the showmances so I think it's as calculated as anything.

I've never been fond of James. He's a terrible player, his antics aren't that funny, and he's only an average performer in the DR.

Really? because he is always with the CBS Reality crowd (Survivor/BB).

[Calgary14]

Fake or not I just can't see her being with James after the show. She lives in Manhattan and he lives in rural Texas. Two extremes

[Machiavelli]

It's not a real relationship. As soon as she was on the block with him she started treating him like crap. Pretty much everything Paulie said about her was true. Stuff has gone down on the live feeds and I'm not sure CBS will be able to keep up their "Sweetheart Natalie" edit much longer

James is a fool, anyway. She would barely let him touch her, get a clue

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

It's not a real relationship. As soon as she was on the block with him she started treating him like crap. Pretty much everything Paulie said about her was true. Stuff has gone down on the live feeds and I'm not sure CBS will be able to keep up their "Sweetheart Natalie" edit much longer

James is a fool, anyway. She would barely let him touch her, get a clue

Dude you need to provide links or something. Just saying "stuff has gone on the live feeds" isn't helpful. I go to Jokers occasionally and I haven't seen it (although I don't comb through the entire day). Can you give us specific examples?

[Oling_Roachinen]

You all haters, Queen Natalie is the best.

Again, I don't think it's malicious, I've known enough chronic daters to know that they would rather be in any form of relationship than no relationship. Natalie's a flirt, outside of the house it's fine because she has her pickins and can get away. But in a house, she's limited but still wants that comfortable feeling, James is a safety blanket. It will end a day after they get out of the house, but Natalie (until recently) thought she was being genuine. Again, she's been the nicest person in the house to outcasts like Bridgette.

And even if she was manipulating James, so? Dan destroyed Danielle emotionally. Derrick had Victoria wrapped around his finger. Will played Janelle. They are considered master manipulators. A girl does, and she's a 'crazy bitch.'

[Machiavelli]

Natalie ended up with James as a consolation. She tried to showmance Victor and got rejected, flirted with Corey and got rejected, and Paulie was already taken.

Random grievances I have with her:

Accused Paulie of making her uncomfortable with flirting/remarks, when she happily flirted with him with no complaints (including rubbing his calves at one point). Only told James all this when she was pissed with Paulie, after the FT/Jersey Girl rant. When arguing with Paulie, denied that Paul had touched her, then later admitted to lying about it. Then when she was mad at Paul, said that Paul made her feel uncomfortable when he touched her thighs. She, on the other hand, has slapped Paulie on the butt and jokingly called him her future husband (and a good guy, to Bridgette. https://twitter.com/dmb_fan4life/sta...96548748980224, sorry youtube vid no longer available). She has also kissed Paul on the neck and pinched his butt.

Earlier she conspired with Bridgette and Michelle to rat Paulie out to Zakiyah in an effort to get Z to blow up on him, but her diary room and CBS edit made it seem like she did it out of the kindness of her heart. Never before had she considered telling her the things Paulie had been doing/saying.

Just one example of how Natalie’s been treating James since nomination
https://streamable.com/nmxv

Nat getting caught in her lies about Paul:
What she said before: https://mobile.twitter.com/sameogran...604289/video/1
What she’s saying now: https://t.co/K5KvVrMrGq

James and Natalie finally “decided” to be just friends, so Natalie won’t have to pretend anymore. She'll probably win AFP, so good for her. I guess I can't really fault her for using James to get America on her side. I think she did/does like him as a person, but led him on to think the romantic feelings were mutual. I don't know how any of that compares to Dan or Derrick.

Anyway, have no reason to lie about a freaking reality TV show.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Natalie ended up with James as a consolation. She tried to showmance Victor and got rejected, flirted with Corey and got rejected, and Paulie was already taken.

Random grievances I have with her:

Accused Paulie of making her uncomfortable with flirting/remarks, when she happily flirted with him with no complaints (including rubbing his calves at one point). Only told James all this when she was pissed with Paulie, after the FT/Jersey Girl rant. When arguing with Paulie, denied that Paul had touched her, then later admitted to lying about it. Then when she was mad at Paul, said that Paul made her feel uncomfortable when he touched her thighs. She, on the other hand, has slapped Paulie on the butt and jokingly called him her future husband (and a good guy, to Bridgette. https://twitter.com/dmb_fan4life/sta...96548748980224, sorry youtube vid no longer available). She has also kissed Paul on the neck and pinched his butt.

Earlier she conspired with Bridgette and Michelle to rat Paulie out to Zakiyah in an effort to get Z to blow up on him, but her diary room and CBS edit made it seem like she did it out of the kindness of her heart. Never before had she considered telling her the things Paulie had been doing/saying.

Just one example of how Natalie’s been treating James since nomination
https://streamable.com/nmxv

Nat getting caught in her lies about Paul:
What she said before: https://mobile.twitter.com/sameogran...604289/video/1
What she’s saying now: https://t.co/K5KvVrMrGq

James and Natalie finally “decided” to be just friends, so Natalie won’t have to pretend anymore. She'll probably win AFP, so good for her. I guess I can't really fault her for using James to get America on her side. I think she did/does like him as a person, but led him on to think the romantic feelings were mutual. I don't know how any of that compares to Dan or Derrick.

Anyway, have no reason to lie about a freaking reality TV show.

I wasn't accusing you of lying, I just want to know because I'm curious.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

oh yeah. Man I forgot how scummy of Natalie it was to bring up the sexual harassment stuff to Paulie when she was a full on flirt with him.

I try and give people the benefit of the doubt when they are locked in a house for 3 months and competing for a half million dollars. On the other hand, part of the reason I watch the show is to pick favorites, judge their scummy behaviour and see the differences between how they want to be portrayed, how they think CBS will portray them, how they act on live feeds and how CBS portrays them on the TV show.

Sometimes I feel like BB has a lot in common with wrestling the way the audience sway can help choose who is a heel and then when production gets a whiff of it, they end up really playing up that angle. Other times production thrusts the faces/heels on us viewers with varying degrees of success.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

They are considered master manipulators. A girl does, and she's a 'crazy bitch.'

Did she? Be a "master manipulator" I mean. I don't see it... I don't think she's a "crazy bitch" either but let's not give credit where it isn't due. She's probably a better player then James (who is far to lazy to win this game... he doesn't put the work in) but James isn't even league average in terms of gameplay which is why she's going now.

I really hope BB20 is a full All-Star season. It's been a long time since BB7 and I think it's time.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Sometimes I feel like BB has a lot in common with wrestling the way the audience sway can help choose who is a heel and then when production gets a whiff of it, they end up really playing up that angle. Other times production thrusts the faces/heels on us viewers with varying degrees of success.

This is the first time I've actually watched/paid attention to live feeds. I had no idea how much production can influence the houseguests, and how much the CBS editing can influence home viewers. It's crazy.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Of course she's a manipulator, and probably the best Big Brother has seen if half of what Machiavelli believes of her is true. She literally had James, a Big Brother veteran, willing to lay down his game for hers. That may not be the same as a good strategist that Dan and Derrick were also, but the person that Machiavelli believes Natalie is makes her a top tier manipulator. Instead the double standards have her labelled a 'fake bitch.'

And who cares about Paulie, the guy was a creep and sexually harassed her. She can say it made her feel however she wants, he deserves it.

[Machiavelli]

Sorry, but no double standards here. I can't recall Dan or Derrick flirting with half the women in the house and then when it's convenient, play the victim of sexual harassment.

If Paulie sexually harassed Natalie, then she did to both Paul and Paulie. Or where are your double standards now?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Sorry, but no double standards here. I can't recall Dan or Derrick flirting with half the women in the house and then when it's convenient, play the victim of sexual harassment.

If Paulie sexually harassed Natalie, then she did to both Paul and Paulie. Or where are your double standards now?

Paulie started a nickname of "Fake tits" to her that nearly all the guys were calling her behind her back. That's sexual harassment without any room to debate it.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Paulie started a nickname of "Fake tits" to her that nearly all the guys were calling her behind her back. That's sexual harassment without any room to debate it.

FYI, Paul started it

[Oling_Roachinen]

So? This isn't preschool. It doesn't matter who started it. Paulie did it.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

So? This isn't preschool. It doesn't matter who started it. Paulie did it.

Get your facts straight. Most of the guys called her that, and James sat around saying nothing when they did

Again, if that's sexual harassment then what Natalie has done is also sexual harassment. No double standards, right?

[Weitz]

Natalie could be called a "master manipulator" if, you know, she had any sort of game. Instead she latched on to James, and when they lost HOH this week kicked him to the curb when she realized he isn't a good player. Which everyone already knew. Now she will go home.

There is no manipulation there... Its not like she made a good player fall for her.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Get your facts straight. Most of the guys called her that, and James sat around saying nothing when they did

Again, if that's sexual harassment then what Natalie has done is also sexual harassment. No double standards, right?

Has anyone claimed to be uncomfortable with what Natalie has done? If so, and it was sexual in nature, then sure. But as far as I'm aware, no one has. Except Paulie arguing over who did what, not that it made him uncomfortable.

The difference is, Natalie has shown and expressed being uncomfortable with some of the things done and said in the house, most notably, Paulie calling her Fake Tits. That would be the very definition of sexual harassment.

This is actually really scary you can't tell the difference.

[Machiavelli]

^ It's really scary that you think Natalie is a Queen, when she has admitted to lying about sexual harassment. Carry on, I'm done with you