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Old 09-11-2015, 03:13 PM   #401
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If they really felt in the right, then the possibility of public shaming wouldn't bother them.
Wow. This is so obviously not the case that I can't fathom how you could believe it.

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If the fear that someone on the street might shame you for littering, or the thought that you would feel guilty for throwing a piece of trash on the ground, prevents you from doing so, isn't that a good thing? Isn't that exactly how anything changes culturally?
Not really. The correct solution is to conscript you into a way of thinking where you believe that you shouldn't throw things on the ground, because you understand why that's a bad thing and want to participate in a culture where we don't do that.

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In fact, I would argue the person voicing the proper opinion in both those scenarios is more at risk of being verbally (or possibly physically) abused than the person who committed the act in the first place. Telling someone their wrong doesn't have to be hostile.
There is a difference between voicing the correct opinion and shaming someone. "Here's why you're wrong", is one thing, "F*** YOU AND ANYONE WHO THINKS LIKE YOU, YOU AWFUL HUMAN BEING" is entirely another.

We're thankfully getting to a point on a lot of these issues where the shaming is a bigger problem than the actual source of the shaming.
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Old 09-11-2015, 09:03 PM   #402
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We're thankfully getting to a point on a lot of these issues where the shaming is a bigger problem than the actual source of the shaming.
I must be misunderstanding what you're trying to say here? Right? You aren't suggesting that homophobia shaming is a bigger societal problem than homophobia? That shamed homophobes are committing suicide at higher rates than gay teens, etc?
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:42 PM   #403
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K. This is week-old news now. Let's move all the gay stuff to the off-topic thread.
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