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Old 07-22-2015, 04:25 PM   #401
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Here's an interesting tool where you can see what earth looked like 250 million years ago? Or 1 billion years ago? Or 4.5 billion years ago?
EarthViewer is an interactive tool that allows you to explore the science of Earth's deep history.

Interestingly Calgary is one of the cities used as a frame of reference. If you check out the ice age you can see the narrow open area running down from the north to the open area of the rest of NA where the Calgary area running along the Rocky Mountains is ice free.

http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/e...adbb7-69199437
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HHMI is so awesome, and all the free stuff you can get from the, DVDs!
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Here's an interesting tool where you can see what earth looked like 250 million years ago? Or 1 billion years ago? Or 4.5 billion years ago?
EarthViewer is an interactive tool that allows you to explore the science of Earth's deep history.

Interestingly Calgary is one of the cities used as a frame of reference. If you check out the ice age you can see the narrow open area running down from the north to the open area of the rest of NA where the Calgary area running along the Rocky Mountains is ice free.

http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/e...adbb7-69199437
So sliding back the scales, at some points, C02 is about 10 times what it is today yet the planet is covered in ice. What's the explanation for that?
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Old 07-23-2015, 08:28 AM   #404
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Indeed. They have about 26 operating at this time with another 24 under construction. 50+ more are in planning stages.

They are also putting the final touches on there own reactor designs to bring to the world (based on the Westinghouse AP 1000 I believe). And when I say bring to the world what they will be offering is to provide the financing for the build for the area governments. That initial $6 B outlay is quite prohibitive when it comes to building a NPP. To do so means you are not looking for any sort of return for 30+ years. With China financing the reactors they become a heck of a lot more attractive for pretty much every country in the world. Especially the developing nations.

China is also building some Gen IV test reactors. Basically the only country that is truly and actively doing so.
Nuclear is a fossil fuel, and it's certainly not clean. China has no oil, they also build nuclear weapons, so they need to build nuclear plants. Lets not spin this into a good thing. When you compare Canada to China on a world scale we are minor polluters.

The idea of China and SA as third world/developing is absurd, every country has to pull their wait to make this fair, I will not support a government that trashes Canada's economy at the expense of putting China even further ahead of us economically.
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So sliding back the scales, at some points, C02 is about 10 times what it is today yet the planet is covered in ice. What's the explanation for that?
Good read on that:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-higher-in-past.htm

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Are there any other sources for good information that aren't "Skeptical Science"? I find those guys preachy, and extremely overconfident in their explanations given that vast uncertainty that exists. This video claims so much certainty when any good scientist will tell you detail of the past are sketchy enough that you can't claim to know what was going on to the detail we know now.

I have trouble taking anything they say at face value becuase it feels like I'm being told to drink the cool aid and shut up. It's like I have to be skeptical of everything they say, just becuase they come across so confidently on everything, rather than saying "well, this is what we think, but there is a lot of stuff we just don't know" as you would expect any good scientist to tell you.
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Are there any other sources for good information that aren't "Skeptical Science"?
NASA. U.N.

http://climate.nasa.gov/

http://www.ipcc.ch/

http://www.climatechange.gc.ca/defau...n&n=E18C8F2D-1

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http://www.environmentalsciencedegre...limate-change/

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Thanks, will bookmark for future!
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...given that vast uncertainty that exists.
Eh?

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Eh?

I didn't mean climate change in general, I was referring to their descriptions of the past, which any good scientist will tell you that there are plenty of possible sources of error in reading tree rings, ice cores, lake bed sediment and going much further back, looking at paleo climates. I wish all these graphs they produce had error bars, because you see something about average global temperature from 400 million years ago measured to half a degree and have to say, uhm, how certain are you? My problem is the SkS guys make it seam like we know 100% of the answers. I think it is disingenuous and harms scientists in the eyes of the general public.
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Old 07-24-2015, 04:50 AM   #411
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Here's an interesting tool where you can see what earth looked like 250 million years ago? Or 1 billion years ago? Or 4.5 billion years ago?
EarthViewer is an interactive tool that allows you to explore the science of Earth's deep history.

Interestingly Calgary is one of the cities used as a frame of reference. If you check out the ice age you can see the narrow open area running down from the north to the open area of the rest of NA where the Calgary area running along the Rocky Mountains is ice free.

http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/e...adbb7-69199437
Very cool, thanks for the link.

It shows the Artic had warmed 4°C and Calgary 2°C in the last 40 years. If true that rate is insane, the Artic will have warm beaches in a couple of hundred years and Calgary will be the new Phoenix.
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I can't say I wouldn't mind a warm tropical Iceland
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I can't say I wouldn't mind a warm tropical Iceland
Oh it'll be warm. The only parts that won't be under water are the mouths of the volcanoes.
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Very cool, thanks for the link.

It shows the Artic had warmed 4°C and Calgary 2°C in the last 40 years. If true that rate is insane, the Artic will have warm beaches in a couple of hundred years and Calgary will be the new Phoenix.
... Sounds awesome?
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Congratulations, you’ve just lived through the hottest month ever recorded. (Yes, another one.) According to NASA, the Japan Meteorological Agency, and, now, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), July 2015 was the hottest month registered on the planet since record-keeping began.

“The July average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces was 1.46°F (0.81°C) above the 20th century average,” NOAA reports. “As July is climatologically the warmest month for the year, this was also the all-time highest monthly temperature in the 1880–2015 record, at 61.86°F (16.61°C), surpassing the previous record set last year in 2014 by 0.14°F (0.08°C).” Emphasis mine.

The heat was especially scorching around the Equator, in the oceans, in parts of Asia, and in Southern Europe.

The most remarkable thing about this is how unremarkable it is—temperatures are climbing so rapidly and reliably that we see a new “hottest month ever recorded” every other year or so. Last year was the hottest year on record, and NASA scientists say 2015 is poised to be another. NOAA has already confirmed that the January-July period thus far is the hottest such period yet.

It’s been more than 30 years since the world has seen a colder-than-average month. Get ready to live through plenty more record-breakingly hot ones.
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Pretty terrifying.
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Pretty terrifying.
I mentioned this in the election thread, but the whole issue with wildfires has really gotten my attention the past few years. I know that the past three years in a row we've broken the previous year's record number of wildfires. We used to have to prep for fire season around the beginning of June. Now we're full-go by the middle of May.
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I mentioned this in the election thread, but the whole issue with wildfires has really gotten my attention the past few years. I know that the past three years in a row we've broken the previous year's record number of wildfires. We used to have to prep for fire season around the beginning of June. Now we're full-go by the middle of May.
I worked in the North for the past 3 summers, and I can speak from experience that every year was considered a "banner year" for wildfires.

As a species, I don't think that we are running out of town per se, but there is an increasing risk that our big plans for the future - ie. technological bliss - are going to be significantly derailed due to climate change and other factors.
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I worked in the North for the past 3 summers, and I can speak from experience that every year was considered a "banner year" for wildfires.

As a species, I don't think that we are running out of town per se, but there is an increasing risk that our big plans for the future - ie. technological bliss - are going to be significantly derailed due to climate change and other factors.
Yeah, it's nice that world governments are paying lip-service to reducing emissions but it's not going to change a damn thing unless we get our consumption under control. The problem with that is we've been fed the belief that we're not only are we entitled to consume, we're obligated to.
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