as far as I see it, the iphone has become a fashion statement as much as it is a phone. People have it for the same reason they get Oakleys or Prada. Other jeans, purses and sunglasses do the same job and better for much less, but people like a name brand.
I used my iPhone for years and after using an android for a week I feel like a stooge for ever using an iPhone. One of my co workers who's gay told me if I took my new phone to twisted (a gay bar for those who dont know) no one would be impressed. I asked what they would be impressed by and he said "an iPhone". That's all apple has left... hype, and a name brand people will sleep out over night in line for.
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No, the reason I bought the phone was it's been described as the best smartphone ever made. That was merely an example I wanted to share.
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Well you'll have to excuse me, I was only going off by exactly what you said. As for the whole best smartphone ever made thing... that's a pretty typical thing said about the biggest latest release of any new smartphone. I'd imagine one could bring up similar quotes upon the release of this years Samsung S4 and the HTC one.
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Enough with the endless criticism
This is a truly bizarre thing to say. Can you name thread related to smart phones.. okay hell.. any thread on Calgarypuck that is without criticism? Do you have any idea what a strange and weird request that is?
Every phone, every topic has debate in it, that's what this forum was created for and still used for. Go into the threads for the s4 or my Nexus threads you'll see plenty of praise and plenty of negative thoughts as well. Even in my thread for the Nexus I criticism where it's needed, because it's just a friggin phone man.
If you honestly think a sentence pleading for the end of criticism is a legitimate thing to post you really should just sign out and take a break because you're getting too worked up about something as silly as a phone.
as far as I see it, the iphone has become a fashion statement as much as it is a phone. People have it for the same reason they get Oakleys or Prada. Other jeans, purses and sunglasses do the same job and better for much less, but people like a name brand.
I used my iPhone for years and after using an android for a week I feel like a stooge for ever using an iPhone. One of my co workers who's gay told me if I took my new phone to twisted (a gay bar for those who dont know) no one would be impressed. I asked what they would be impressed by and he said "an iPhone". That's all apple has left... hype, and a name brand people will sleep out over night in line for.
I used an iPhone for years and after using an Android for a year I'm going back to iPhone.
Does that mean I'm after a fashion statement? Does that mean I like a name brand? Am I only doing it because of hype?
If you want to take your little anecdote and apply it to everyone to explain them doing things and then show those reasons as bad, then go ahead, but no one reasonable is going to pay attention to you and about all you will accomplish is getting an emotional response from the people who you've painted with your anecdotal brush (which is basically what trolling is).
I know it's easier just to assume everyone who likes something you don't does so for one reason and that reason is something you look down on, but that's pretty immature.
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I used an iPhone for years and after using an Android for a year I'm going back to iPhone.
Does that mean I'm after a fashion statement? Does that mean I like a name brand? Am I only doing it because of hype?
If you want to take your little anecdote and apply it to everyone to explain them doing things and then show those reasons as bad, then go ahead, but no one reasonable is going to pay attention to you and about all you will accomplish is getting an emotional response from the people who you've painted with your anecdotal brush (which is basically what trolling is).
I know it's easier just to assume everyone who likes something you don't does so for one reason and that reason is something you look down on, but that's pretty immature.
Well let's settle this thing; what name brand is your purse??
edit: Also you're kind of creating a position for me then attacking it which isn't quite fair. I'm not saying the ONLY reason buy iPhones is for a fashion statement. I'm saying that's a huge chunk of their market. Apples biggest selling point they have left, which I did say, is they've created a strong and loyal base who don't really care what the competition is doing. They like their iPhones and if it's the best phone or not is not a concern of theirs.
People who go iPhone to android then back to iPhone are a minoriy, and I'm sure you have logical reasons to do so (maybe I dont want to assume) you also don't represent the majority. No where in my post did I say I can apply my one anectode to everyone, so again, you're debating an argument and a position I haven't taken.
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edit: Also you're kind of creating a position for me then attacking it which isn't quite fair. I'm not saying the ONLY reason buy iPhones is for a fashion statement.
You said "People have it" and "That's all apple has left".. If that's all Apple has left, then that means that's the only reason (since there's no other reason).
If you meant some people, what's the point of the post then? Picking some random subset of a group of people and then harping on them because of the thing you used to define the subset in the first place??
You know what's wrong with people who wear hats? Hats...
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I'm saying that's a huge chunk of their market.
You're speculating that is true. Given the number of old people, children, and weirdos I see with iPhones I really REALLY don't see it.
But if you have some kind of support for your generalizations then you might have a point.
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Apples biggest selling point they have left, which I did say, is they've created a strong and loyal base who don't really care what the competition is doing. They like their iPhones and if it's the best phone or not is not a concern of theirs.
No, you said all they have left is hype and a name brand people will sleep out overnight in line for. They obviously have more than that, they have an actual phone that does cool stuff that the customers want it to do.
(And people sleep in line overnight for all kinds of things, they're doing it to be first, not to get the product in general.. if everyone had to sleep overnight in line to get an iPhone, sales would drop 99.9%.)
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People who go iPhone to android then back to iPhone are a minoriy
Evidence? EDIT: This would also go against your point that loyalty is all they have, you are arguing here that there isn't loyalty.
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and I'm sure you have logical reasons to do so (maybe I dont want to assume)
You seem ok to assume for most everyone else though...
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you also don't represent the majority.
Evidence?
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No where in my post did I say I can apply my one anectode to everyone, so again, you're debating an argument and a position I haven't taken.
But that's what your post does.. you clearly aren't addressing any individual in the thread because your post is about Apple users in general. It's about either all Apple users or near enough to all of them as makes no difference, otherwise if your post is about the 5% of Apple users that fit your criteria your post makes no sense at all (since it's a rant against Apple consumers).
You confirm this by saying it's about the majority of Apple users. If we asked all the iPhone users on this forum most of them got iPhones for fashion and blind brand loyalty?
If your point is "The problem with people who buy Apple products as a fashion statement is that they buy products as a fashion statement", then.. well done? The problem with people who have mustaches is their mustaches...
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Just a quick search for what these are worth - I haven't looked to closely at the details. I think most of this is for "one" switch - probably hard to check multiple sequential purchases/changes.
Data from Consumer Intelligence Research Partners (CIRP) surveying 500 people in the US who had bought phones between January and March found that iPhone owners were the most loyal: 78% who had one went on to buy another, while for Android the figure was 67%.
Yankee Group's data, which has been seen by the Guardian, suggests even higher loyalty: "only 9% of Apple owners plan to switch to another platform with their next phone purchase, while 24% of Android owners plan to defect from the platform," noted Carl Howe, its author, based on data collected from 16,000 people over the past 12 months in the US. It also says its data shows 18% of Android owners plan to buy iPhones subsequently, while 76% intended to remain with Android.
Surprisingly, Yankee Group said that Samsung owners were not particularly loyal: "despite the 24 different models of smartphones Samsung offered in the US market between 2010 and 2012, only 56% of Samsung smartphone owners intend to buy another Samsung smartphone," Howe noted. That is the highest within the Android ecosystem, above Motorola's 45%, HTC's 40%, and LG's 35%. (Android's overall loyalty rate is higher than that for any individual manufacturer because some Android owners switch between brands.)
"Most of Samsung's phone marketing budget today is spent on advertising and providing incentives to salespeople to push Samsung's phones," Howe commented. He suggests it should offer rebates, for loyalty, and "invest in providing more local service for broken and defective phones; many consumers who experienced 'sudden death' syndrome with their Galaxy S3s had to wait weeks to get replacements through their operators." He contrasted that with the availability of same-day replacement for faulty iPhones through Apple's own stores.
During the period CIRP surveyed, nearly three times as many Android handset users switched to iPhone as iPhone users switched to Android. Between July 2012 and June 2013, iPhone poached 20 percent of its users from Android, while Android captured just seven percent of its users from iPhone.
Well let's settle this thing; what name brand is your purse??
edit: Also you're kind of creating a position for me then attacking it which isn't quite fair. I'm not saying the ONLY reason buy iPhones is for a fashion statement. I'm saying that's a huge chunk of their market. Apples biggest selling point they have left, which I did say, is they've created a strong and loyal base who don't really care what the competition is doing. They like their iPhones and if it's the best phone or not is not a concern of theirs.
People who go iPhone to android then back to iPhone are a minoriy, and I'm sure you have logical reasons to do so (maybe I dont want to assume) you also don't represent the majority. No where in my post did I say I can apply my one anectode to everyone, so again, you're debating an argument and a position I haven't taken.
That really doesn't change your point and Photon's characterization is dead on. You seem to be suggesting that the 15% of people who buy iPhones are generally less discerning than the 80% of people who buy Android phones which is a laughable statement.
The fact is, the vast majority of people who buy anything are usually not that well informed. For every person buying an iPhone as a fashion statement there are several people (simply by virtue of a larger market share) buying an Android device because it's the cheapest way to get a smartphone, or simply blindly buying a Samsung without having the foggiest idea of what Android even is.
Honestly, if Android consumers were as discerning as you seem to be suggesting then Nexus devices wouldn't have a pittance for sales numbers and devices with terrible skins like TouchWiz wouldn't be dominating the market.
but to me anyone who takes the time to research a phone, and really get involved, would be more likely to take an android.
again this is now pure speculation by me and my own new android bias.
There's more too it than that. Android may be the better OS, I don't know, but many here feel strongly that way. But you can't buy Android or iOS in isolation so you need to consider the whole package. I'm not going to insist that the iPhone is the best combination of design, performance, features and ecosystem but it's gotta be right near the top. It seems when people critique iPhone they cherry pick features from a variety of Android and Windows phones so that suggests there aren't too many that can go head to head. Even so, that's subjective, as is your opinion that anyone who researches would choose Android. There's no objectively right or wrong answer.
but to me anyone who takes the time to research a phone, and really get involved, would be more likely to take an android.
again this is now pure speculation by me and my own new android bias.
It's not bias, you're just assuming that everyone has the same criteria that you do, and that they give those criteria the same weight, when they do not.
No need to project a negative reason onto the majority of people that make a different choice than you did.
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