Annual Trade Iggy thread

[$ven27]

I just had a dream where we traded Iggy to Buffalo for their 1st, it turned out to be first overall where we selected MacKinnon. Good news right? Well I had a beer with him after where he told me his favourite team was the rangers and he pulled an Erixon and was traded there for Brian Boyle.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The issue is this team needs a culture change and the only way to do that is by trading Iggy.

This teams forward group has taken the identity of it's captain over the last three seasons. Inconsistent, with the forwards having no commitment to the defensive zone, all while playing a very individualistic game.

I personally think that Iggy doesn't even want to play in Calgary anymore...he just doesn't want to tarnish his legacy in Calgary by asking for a trade. I think the Flames really need to make the tough decision and move Iginla.

As much as it would suck to see Jarome in another jersey I think it is what is best for him and the franchise. You can tell that he is tolling in the mediocrity that is the Flames franchise right now and the only way he can get motivated again and that the country club mentality of the Flames can change is by moving him to a contender.

I have to agree with this post from the PHX game thread.
I really have not enjoyed or supported these Trade Iginla threads in the past. I wear an Iginla jersey to the games.
Iginla merchandise is well represented in our house in almost anything that has been made. Hell we even have Iginla Christmas ornaments.
But for the good of the Flames a tough decision needs to made and it has to be done.

Iginla in the last 3 games.
1 Assist
-1
4 shots.
6 hits.

That is it, not even close to good enough.
Iginla said something to the effect of...
after last season that he would like this team to be more competitive and and that him resigning will weigh partially on how well the Flames season goes.
Iginla seems to be ok with the Flames being a bubble team. Not that he likes them being always hovering at or just above or below that number, but rather when then they have the chance to move up he slumps. Passes off in the slot in a tied or 1 goal game for example, and appears to lose confidence i really don't know but know what i have seen.

So are you part of the solution this season Iggy?
Has father time finally caught Iginla?
Is he disinterested in playing for the Flames?
Personally I believe Iginla needs a change of scenery to a new team and so do the Flames.
It has become stagnant with Iginla this season and really it has been going on to the last month and half of 2011-2012 season.
Iginla seems to be mellowed out compared to his fierce demeanor of the past.
Perhaps he refinds that with another team. I have no doubt that he will but with the Flames he has over time just settled into some bad consistant habits that use to show up every 10 games, then every 5 games. Now it is becoming stretches of several games where he is just another #12 out on the ice not Jarome Iginla.
He has become to settled in to being what i call a .500 player.
Ok with .500 record as a team and ok with playing with an all out attitude 50% of the time.
Iginla will flourish on a competitive team but what angers me about what i am seeing from him is how he is creating a non competitive work ethic on the Flames. You can see that possibly other players are being effected on the ice and that just settle kind of attitude is spreading.
I am sure the list would be long for GM's interested in acquiring Iginla in a cup run.
It is past due for the Flames to start this process and really put that into action.
What worries me most about the Flames trading Iginla is they have to make the right trade and that being the best return for the Flames.
They can't get swindled like they have in the past.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I have to agree with this post from the PHX game thread.
I really have not enjoyed or supported these Trade Iginla threads in the past. I wear an Iginla jersey to the games.
Iginla merchandise is well represented in our house in almost anything that has been made. Hell we even have Iginla Christmas ornaments.
But for the good of the Flames a tough decision needs to made and it has to be done.
.

I have never heard a die hard IGGY fan admit that Iginla needs to go.
He must truly be doing terrible (as if 1 goal in 14 games isnt enough indication).

The best return you will get from Iginla is a 2nd Round Draft Pick and a third line player or underperforming prospect.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I have to agree with this post from the PHX game thread.
I really have not enjoyed or supported these Trade Iginla threads in the past. I wear an Iginla jersey to the games.
Iginla merchandise is well represented in our house in almost anything that has been made. Hell we even have Iginla Christmas ornaments.
But for the good of the Flames a tough decision needs to made and it has to be done.

Iginla in the last 3 games.
1 Assist
-1
4 shots.
6 hits.

That is it, not even close to good enough.
Iginla said something to the effect of...
after last season that he would like this team to be more competitive and and that him resigning will weigh partially on how well the Flames season goes.
Iginla seems to be ok with the Flames being a bubble team. Not that he likes them being always hovering at or just above or below that number, but rather when then they have the chance to move up he slumps. Passes off in the slot in a tied or 1 goal game for example, and appears to lose confidence i really don't know but know what i have seen.

So are you part of the solution this season Iggy?
Has father time finally caught Iginla?
Is he disinterested in playing for the Flames?
Personally I believe Iginla needs a change of scenery to a new team and so do the Flames.
It has become stagnant with Iginla this season and really it has been going on to the last month and half of 2011-2012 season.
Iginla seems to be mellowed out compared to his fierce demeanor of the past.
Perhaps he refinds that with another team. I have no doubt that he will but with the Flames he has over time just settled into some bad consistant habits that use to show up every 10 games, then every 5 games. Now it is becoming stretches of several games where he is just another #12 out on the ice not Jarome Iginla.
He has become to settled in to being what i call a .500 player.
Ok with .500 record as a team and ok with playing with an all out attitude 50% of the time.
Iginla will flourish on a competitive team but what angers me about what i am seeing from him is how he is creating a non competitive work ethic on the Flames. You can see that possibly other players are being effected on the ice and that just settle kind of attitude is spreading.
I am sure the list would be long for GM's interested in acquiring Iginla in a cup run.
It is past due for the Flames to start this process and really put that into action.
What worries me most about the Flames trading Iginla is they have to make the right trade and that being the best return for the Flames.
They can't get swindled like they have in the past.

The issue I have is that ownership/management always say they won't move Iggy unless Jarome himself comes to them and requests/suggests it...I love what Jarome Iginla has done for this organization and I understand the respect level, but seriously Murray Edwards and Ken King need to get their collective heads out of their azzes and make a business move for long-term future growth, if it's not already too late...I don't think Feaster has much say in any transactions involving Iggy.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I have never heard a die hard IGGY fan admit that Iginla needs to go.
He must truly be doing terrible (as if 1 goal in 14 games isnt enough indication).

The best return you will get from Iginla is a 2nd Round Draft Pick and a third line player or underperforming prospect.

Iggy will get a better return than that. He will get a 1st round pick and a prospect or a young 2nd line player and a later pick.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I have never heard a die hard IGGY fan admit that Iginla needs to go.
He must truly be doing terrible (as if 1 goal in 14 games isnt enough indication).

The best return you will get from Iginla is a 2nd Round Draft Pick and a third line player or underperforming prospect.

Paul Gaustad returned a 1st at the trade deadline last season, Iginla will still be able to get at least a first and a prospect.

[Stanley]

I could see Nieuwendyk being interested in acquiring Iggy and bringing him to the organization that drafted him, not to mention the irony of the trade with Joe...

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Iggy will get a better return than that. He will get a 1st round pick and a prospect or a young 2nd line player and a later pick.

I'm not trying to over value Iggy here, but lets not forget he plays on a pretty crappy team. I think GM's across the league realize that and that's why I don't think his value has dropped off the map. He still has the ability to be a game changer on the right team. I think he gets a 1st rouder(probably later since he'll go to a contender), a good prospect and a decent roster player (2nd or 3rd liner).

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I could see Nieuwendyk being interested in acquiring Iggy and bringing him to the organization that drafted him, not to mention the irony of the trade with Joe...

Iggy n jagr on the same team... Jeez

[CliffFletcher]

One thing hurts Iginla's value is his exemption on the Flames from playing a dedicated two-way games. A lot of teams in the NHL operate under a model where every player on the roster buys into the coach's system and plays as hard without the puck as with it. If I were a GM, I'd be wary about bringing Iginla into such a system. Could he adapt to playing under a Hitchcock? Maybe. Maybe not.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

One thing hurts Iginla's value is his exemption on the Flames from playing a dedicated two-way games. A lot of teams in the NHL operate under a model where every player on the roster buys into the coach's system and plays as hard without the puck as with it. If I were a GM, I'd be wary about bringing Iginla into such a system. Could he adapt to playing under a Hitchcock? Maybe. Maybe not.

He can get away with it here because he is the star, the player that drives our culture and style of play.

If he went to Pittsburgh (Crosby), Philly (Giroux), Chicago (Toews), etc he would have to follow the lead of their star and they all play a strong 200 ft team game.

[_Q_]

Unfortunately I think the ship has sailed on trading Iginla about 2 years ago. If he is to be traded, we'll probably get something similar to the Regehr trade from a few years ago. So probably a youngish third line roster player (think Horak) and a marginal prospect (think Breen, Byron, Reinhart). We are definitely not getting an elite prospect like Couturier, Schenn or a first rounder.

That's not to say I don't want him traded. He has been beyond useless this season and it's too bad to say, but I think trading Iggy would be addition by subtraction.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He can get away with it here because he is the star, the player that drives our culture and style of play.

If he went to Pittsburgh (Crosby), Philly (Giroux), Chicago (Toews), etc he would have to follow the lead of their star and they all play a strong 200 ft team game.

Going to a team where he is a complimentary player, which is probably what he is now in his career, would be huge for Iginla and any team that nabs him.

[indes]

I was pretty torn when they mentioned doan is leading the team in hits at age 36. Age is not the factor here, Iginla has been my favorite player for the past decade or so but I'm pretty fed up with his lack of drive out there. Watching him for a game pretty much sums up the flames. Perimeter team that won't make the sacrifices necessary to win. He's getting pathetic out there and I really think he should be gone instead of tarnishing his reputation here

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Stanley

The issue I have is that ownership/management always say they won't move Iggy unless Jarome himself comes to them and requests/suggests it...I love what Jarome Iginla has done for this organization and I understand the respect level, but seriously Murray Edwards and Ken King need to get their collective heads out of their azzes and make a business move for long-term future growth, if it's not already too late...I don't think Feaster has much say in any transactions involving Iggy.

agree, what Murray Edwards and Ken King are doing by having this stance to me is them really saying to each other i don't want to have any blood on my hands if the fan base rebel's after we make a trade.
Their way of thinking appears to be...If Iginla asks for a trade then we are not to blame if the deal goes down and the hockey world views the Flames organization as the loser in the trade. Or the Fan base is angered by the move.
Same as if nothing happens and Iginla goes UFA elsewhere or even resigns then the Flames organization will hide behind well Jarome said he wanted to stay.
They have to go to Iginla and push for this to happen and on the flip side they have to find out if Jarome wants to stay what is he willing to sign for because there will be an even larger fan base back lash if he continues to be a 7m cap hit for the Flames in 2014,15,16.

[TheGrimm]

I think Iggy proved the other night against Dallas that he can still play with an edge when he wants to. It took a lambasting from Warrener on public radio for him to decide to show us. It lasted a single game. Honestly I would cheer for him if he went to Boston/Pittsburgh/Philly etc. Would be fun to see him in the playoffs again.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Stanley

The issue I have is that ownership/management always say they won't move Iggy unless Jarome himself comes to them and requests/suggests it...I love what Jarome Iginla has done for this organization and I understand the respect level, but seriously Murray Edwards and Ken King need to get their collective heads out of their azzes and make a business move for long-term future growth, if it's not already too late...I don't think Feaster has much say in any transactions involving Iggy.

While i get what you are saying, i do beleive Edwards and King have made a business decision on the future. The future to them is the arena. They probably feel that having Iggy as a figure head to get tax payers money, is better than having a "young guns" era.

I think there vision is flawed. Paying Iggy $6 million a season and watching him deteriorate on a non playoff team, will be just as bad, if not worse than going full rebuild.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

While i get what you are saying, i do beleive Edwards and King have made a business decision on the future. The future to them is the arena. They probably feel that having Iggy as a figure head to get tax payers money, is better than having a "young guns" era.

I think there vision is flawed. Paying Iggy $6 million a season and watching him deteriorate on a non playoff team, will be just as bad, if not worse than going full rebuild.

Do people really believe that Iginla will sign a new contract here by the deadline? The way things are going with the team I don't think there's a chance unless Iginla truly doesn't care about winning and wants to stay in this city with his family.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Going to a team where he is a complimentary player, which is probably what he is now in his career, would be huge for Iginla and any team that nabs him.

Yeah, but there is no guarantee he can actually play that way.

We haven't seen it in (save for about 1-1.5 seasons under Darryl) Calgary, Babcock didn't see it from him in the Olympics.

Frankly, CliffFletcher is raising a really valuable point.

For teams where cohesive team play might be the only advantage they have over a competing team, is it worth it to add a guy who may detract from that? I don't know, but it likely lowers the value you're willing to shell out.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Babcock didn't see it from him in the Olympics.

What the hell?

Why do you continue to change the past?