I thought the “In Bob We Trust” review explained things pretty well. I actually appreciated things in the movie a bit more after listening to his thoughts.
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I didn’t mind that actually. It showed that no all epic quests end in success. I kind of appreciated that it didn’t have the stereotypical payoff. Bravado isn’t always rewarded. But i guess I was a little bothered that they didn’t just tell Poe the actual plan.
While I felt that that sub-plot was pretty pointless, my wife thought that it was a good one, because while it didn't help the Rebels with their current woes, she felt that it gave hope to the downtrodden of that planet, who have seen the rich run amok among them for a long, long time...which she feels is the point of the Resistance in the first place (the hope-inspiring, that is)
I didn’t mind that actually. It showed that no all epic quests end in success. I kind of appreciated that it didn’t have the stereotypical payoff. Bravado isn’t always rewarded. But i guess I was a little bothered that they didn’t just tell Poe the actual plan.
I get what you're saying, not every plan has to work/payoff but that one didn't even make sense.
It's only two accomplishments were injecting a political angle and teeing up another spinoff trilogy. It was just awful, unlike the movie that sequence seems to be getting universally panned, but most well received movies don't have a useless second act in the middle that almost everyone hates. Haha like seriously, there was nothing that objectively terrible in the prequels.
Well the whole casino trip did have a massive effect on the story. If not for the trip and they just stuck to the Vice Admirals plan, st....st...stuttering Del Toro wouldn't have sold them out and they would have gotten to that planet safely. So Poe really REALLY screwed the pooch with his mutiny and not being able to see the forest from the trees. Kind of on the vice admiral though as well for not keeping Poe in the loop.
So Poe really REALLY screwed the pooch with his mutiny and not being able to see the forest from the trees. Kind of on the vice admiral though as well for not keeping Poe in the loop.
Did Poe need to know, though? I mean...he's a pilot. Does he or should he have a say in strategy, or is his job really just "fly fast and blow things up". It's a rare General who tells the troops everything about the plan, just their part in it. Poe's part in this plan was "shut up and get on the transport"...he didn't NEED to know more than that. So, for his part, he was told what he needed to know. He WANTED to know more, and felt he deserved to know more...but he didn't need to know it.
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Did Poe need to know, though? I mean...he's a pilot. Does he or should he have a say in strategy, or is his job really just "fly fast and blow things up". It's a rare General who tells the troops everything about the plan, just their part in it. Poe's part in this plan was "shut up and get on the transport"...he didn't NEED to know more than that. So, for his part, he was told what he needed to know. He WANTED to know more, and felt he deserved to know more...but he didn't need to know it.
He was a squad leader like a couple.of hours before that not just a pilot. Also their ace. Should have been in the loop even just to keep a lid on him. Either way, Poe caused a lot of unnecessary harm to a lot of resistance fighters.
Yes! I can finally open this thread! Haven't read thru anything, I'm sure a few share my thoughts. Overall I was very pleased.
Bad: Leia in space. Laura Dern.
Good: Pretty much everything else.
Thought the whole get the code cracker subplot was unnecessary to the story, but Del Torro was awesome and I hope we get more of him. I was hoping Finn was going to kill himself, or that Rose was going to, although it would have changed the ending completely.
Rey and Kylo played out pretty much like I thought they would. Loved the way Kylo did it. He was so sure of himself that whole scene in the elevator. He knew what he was going to do the whole time. I liked Luke's sarcastic cynicism. I thought overall the movie was really really funny. Going light speed through the fleet was awesome (although it made me wonder why they didn't just send a autopilot ship at light speed through a fleet every time).
Lots of other things will pop up as I read through the comments I'm sure. I liked it. Can't really see how any Star Wars fan couldn't to be honest, even if a couple homages were pretty heavy handed (Hoth 2.0 in particular).
Going light speed through the fleet was awesome (although it made me wonder why they didn't just send a autopilot ship at light speed through a fleet every time).
Literally this. The biggest cop out of the movie by far. admittedly it was a great scene, but god that pissed me off being the epitome of the whole Fin/Rose BS casino subplot. If a jump to light speed by a spaceship can destroy one of those Dreadnoughts then why wouldn't anyone try to build weapon based on that tech?? The worst part about the film is that it had so many awesome sequences (Literally every fight scene + Yoda + adapting more on abilities of the force = Star wars fan orgasm) but the backbone to the plot was so so weak. They had something but I feel like the movie was doomed from the beginning. Finn needs to die ASAP.
I just don't get why people get so butt hurt over some of this stuff. I'm as big of a Star Wars fan as I know, but are we not able to admit that the originals had flaws and were rather childish at times as well? I wouldnt necessarily say they are kids movies, but they are movies about space wizards. Wizards. In space. That travel at the speed of light. Have swords made of lasers. Every ship flying on planets with atmosphere completely defy any laws of physics. I hate plot holes and bad acting as much as the rest, but Christ it's a movie people.
I didn't want Finn to die because I hate him, I thought it would have made a great arc to his character; one that is a coward, constantly running, finally decides to stand for something and perishes doing it. Rose I thought would sacrifice herself as her sister did.
And as for the supposed backgrounds (or lack thereof) for characters, there's a whole 3rd movie to go. I was operating under the assumption that anything Snoke or Kylo told Rey was a lie/some form of manipulation. And so what if her parents have no special significance. To me that's what will give her balance. She has no family to cling to out of fear, she has exactly one friend in the whole universe and barely knows him. She has no family legacy to run from, or live up to. I love the idea that special can be found anywhere. The little moment of that kid using the force to pull the broom to himself I thought was one of the best moments of the movie.
Snoke not seeing Kylos plan made perfect sense to me. All he wants is power, it stands perfectly reasonable to me that he would have been blinded by it in that moment. No different than literally every other Sith Lord seems to conveniently forget while telling their apprentice to "fulfill their destiny" that their destiny has always been to kill their master or die trying.
I still hate Leia being alive in space but I have come to terms with everything else. lol.
A buddy who has read most of the novels assured me they have gone there in the books so I should be ok with that too, but I'm still not.
It is possible to nitpick this movie to death and I'm not going to do that, but I hope they redeem it in the next one by;
Kylo being an absolute insane bad a@@. Set it ten years down the road, he's gone full dark and has managed to harness unimaginable evil force skill by being a ruthless tyrant.
Rey and Poe NOT becoming an item. I cringed when they met at the end and if they throw a love story in there I'll puke. There is not enough room in one episode to develop a love story between them and they've got Finn and Rose for that now.
An epic standoff between Rey and Kylo, similar to Darth and Luke in ROTJ.
Less political and social commentary. No Death stars. How can the empire keep funding this war if they blow up the planets with the highest GDP? lol
I think Rian Johnson got in his own way a bit too much and tried too hard to subvert audience expectations. Every big plot point was something unexpected. Rey's parents are nobodies. Snoke gets killed off quickly and we don't learn anything about him. Finn's subplot ends in failure and achieves nothing. Poe's attempt at a heroic mutiny blows up in his face and he looks like an idiot.
I'm not angry about any of this. I'm not a huge Star Wars fan. I like the original trilogy. The force awakens was pretty good, especially on first viewing in the theatre. This one just didn't do anything for me. Nothing hit me in the feels. I didn't chuckle at any of the jokes (at least I only cringed once at the opening "please hold" joke that went on way too long.)
I love Kylo Ren. I was into it anytime Rey or Luke were onscreen. The movie ground to a halt for me whenever it cut to anything else.
It was a mediocre flick. I have tickets for Saturday and I'm not even sure I wanna go again.
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The other thing sticking out is whatever creepy uncle Luke was plannign to do to Kylo when he snuck into his room at night. I know they showed a few versions, but I don't think it fits with Luke character.
I envisioned Kylo's turn would go down differently, and didn't like how Luke ended up being the catalyst for Ren's turn to the darkside.
I think this is an exaggeration of why some people don't like it.
There's a lot with this new trilogy for me to like from a distance. I think the thing that ultimately gets me is the story is just poorly written and most of the jokes felt like something I'd see in Spaceballs or an SNL gag.
Yeah the space thing doesn't bother me a whole lot. Leia has some force abilities and something similar happened in clone wars (the tv series). In real life they figure you would last 15 seconds in space before your body used all its oxygen. Being a fantasy movie I can make it work.
I loved the scene with all the AT-ATs unloading on Luke's projection and him walking out after. That and the Yoda scenes made it for me.
Reading through this thread I clearly missed a bunch of little things and would definitely go see it again.
Also, I think General Hux might be my favorite non-Sith baddie in the whole franchise. He's smarmy and despicable, but also has a great emotionally volatile side that few of the imperial officers had. Proud, ambitious, technically savvy, but tactically a little out of his depth at times, he's like a tech startup CEO, which makes him a good personification of the First Order.
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Hm, I think Hux is probably the single worst character in these 2 movies. He seems to exist to be Snoke/now Kylo's chew toy and was nothing more than comedic relief in this episode.
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I thought I was the only one who thoroughly enjoys mega hammy, scenery chewing Hux. Kylo spent all his time last movie as a Vader fanboy that couldn't live up to the real thing. Hux wants to be Tarkin but just can't get there either. I especially enjoyed how he was reaching for his blaster to finish off Kylo, but then chickened out when he woke up.
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The other thing sticking out is whatever creepy uncle Luke was plannign to do to Kylo when he snuck into his room at night. I know they showed a few versions, but I don't think it fits with Luke character.
I envisioned Kylo's turn would go down differently, and didn't like how Luke ended up being the catalyst for Ren's turn to the darkside.
I dunno I thought Luke's explanation seemed fine. He went there to see into Ben's mind. Presumably while sleeping is a good time to do that without resistance from Ben. And I like that it was a moment of weakness and shame for him that became a catalyst for Ben turning into Kylo.
I think people forget (even the movies themselves sometimes) that Luke is not and never was a fully trained Jedi. He is powerful with the force and has strong command of it, but his personality is still full of holes and his discipline lacking.
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Hm, I think Hux is probably the single worst character in these 2 movies. He seems to exist to be Snoke/now Kylo's chew toy and was nothing more than comedic relief in this episode.
I don't know about that.
In Episode 7 the back and forth between him and Kylo was pretty equal, and there were circumstances where each side came out on top. Actually in 7 you could say it was Kylo's failings that led to their defeat more than Hux.
Even in 8 it wasn't as bad as him just being a chew toy - until Snoke was defeated. Sure Poe had some fun with him, but I believe it was Hux who announced they had Lightspeed tracking.
Then once Snoke died Ren started to physically abuse him (force choke, push into the wall) which was interesting because Ren never once tried any physical conflict before Snoke's death.
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