Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I’d keep lindholm at center. Move monahan to the wing.

Thank you! I've been saying this forever. I think Monahan could be a great winger.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Royle9

All 31 other teams would kill to have Tkachuk on their team and here we are comfortable trading him away for a washed up Tarasenko or aging/banged up Pareyko...

Wtf am I reading here Jesus, that’s a terrible return

Unless I missed it, no one made that trade proposal.

How can you take the main piece of the trade proposal out (Eichel) and then criticize the return?

[mile]

https://buffalonews.com/sports/sabre...ource=twitter_

A Western Conference source said GM Kevyn Adams' trade demands remain enormous, properly reflective of the center's career arc in 2019-20 after posting career highs of 36 goals and 78 points in the shortened season.

And two other NHL sources say no team has come close enough to satisfying Adams' trade demands to the point the Sabres have yet to provide Eichel's medical records to another club for review because they didn't feel they had received any legitimate offers.

Perhaps Brisson can work with the Sabres to accept less return to trade Eichel before surgery so they are not taking the risk if the procedure goes wrong. Or perhaps the trade can have conditions attached based on Eichel's post-surgery performance.

You can bet Brisson will work hard behind the scenes trying to help the Sabres broker a deal, and offer suggestions to other clubs as well. He's not a GM and won't ultimately make the decisions, but there's nothing stopping him from chiming in with teams to bring sides closer together.

[Harry Lime]

To me, that means this stall-out is entirely on Kevyn Adams.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

To me, that means this stall-out is entirely on Kevyn Adams.

Of course it is, and it's likely with the full backing of the Pegulas. This will be the single largest/important transaction in personnel this club will make under their watch for a decade and maybe ever.

It is a lot more palatable for them to pay money and use the one thing they have..... time...... to make the deal they like, over accepting a deal they don't.

The Sabres are going to be a brutal hockey team this season whether or not he is dealt before it starts. This helps them in digging in and waiting for what they deem acceptable IMO. Clearly that ask is massive and more than anyone is willing to part with at this point.

No one should be surprised if this thing goes well into the season before getting resolved, though introducing Brisson to the mix may change that up a bit.

[PeteMoss]

I find it hard to believe the price is going to go up the longer he sits out.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Of course it is, and it's likely with the full backing of the Pegulas. This will be the single largest/important transaction in personnel this club will make under their watch for a decade and maybe ever.

It is a lot more palatable for them to pay money and use the one thing they have..... time...... to make the deal they like, over accepting a deal they don't.

The Sabres are going to be a brutal hockey team this season whether or not he is dealt before it starts. This helps them in digging in and waiting for what they deem acceptable IMO. Clearly that ask is massive and more than anyone is willing to part with at this point.

No one should be surprised if this thing goes well into the season before getting resolved, though introducing Brisson to the mix may change that up a bit.

Disagree with this completely. Time is not on their side and the value of their asset is never going to magically just become what they thought it should. They're living in dream land and completely whiffed on their window where they could maximize leverage and value which was pre draft. This has been completely butchered and as eichel is set to miss more of the season his value will just continue to stagnate or drop.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I find it hard to believe the price is going to go up the longer he sits out.

It isn't.

It just isn't going down.

Again, the Sabres are the ones with all the leverage at this point...they dont have to trade him, because there is no return that makes a difference at this point for this season.

Its all futures based (sans one asset to make salary work) from all reports. Well a 1st rd pick now is worth no more than a 1st rd pick 8 months from now, and in fact, could be worth less depending on order of finish by the acquiring club.

Additionally they get to watch potential young players who would be included in possible deals for a season to make better determinations on them.

This is very much like the Duchene situation in Colorado in that the team isnt going to deal him until their ask is met.

Only time will tell if the strategy works or not.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This is very much like the Duchene situation in Colorado in that the team isnt going to deal him until their ask is met.

Except Duchene was healthy and playing. He simply packed up his sticks and went and played. There was no risk that was complicating the deal that Buffalo is seemingly just ignoring at this point. There's going to come a time, and it will be soon, where conservative estimates of recovery from the surgery have him out for the season. Of course his value will go down. What happens if he sits in limbo until next year? It will plummet. I wouldn't give up a mid first for Eichel 1.5 years into sitting and waiting for surgery. Plus he has an NTC kick in.

[direwolf]

Well, this is clearly not going to get resolved before puck drop in October, and will probably continue to drag on into the season. Time to focus on training camp now, get Johnny signed, and move on. F*** Kevyn Adams.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Again, the Sabres are the ones with all the leverage at this point...they dont have to trade him, because there is no return that makes a difference at this point for this season.

Having an angry and defiant Eichel on the team will be a huge distraction and a bad environment for the Sabres’ younger players to develop in.

Meanwhile, what pressure are the potential trade partners under? Anaheim, LA, and the Rangers are all rebuilding. The fanbase on CP may be impatient to get an Eichel deal done, but I doubt Treliving will get fired of he doesn’t make a deal. What’s the consequences for those GMs of simply walking away? Very little.

[stemit14]

This kind of feels like Kevin Adams has put up one of those Kijiji ads with some red flags:

“For sale: 2015 Chevrolet Corvette

Bought it brand new in 2015 for $100,000. Got into a front end collision over a year ago and I kept driving it anyways hoping the damage would just go away. It has been sitting outside for the past 8 months because my mechanics cannot agree on how to fix it.

Price is $100,000. Need to see the cash on the table before I’ll let any of your mechanics take a look at it. If you live in my neighbourhood, you’ll have to pay an extra $10,000 cause it will be painful for me to have to see anyone else driving it.

No low-ballers. Firm on the price. I know what I have.

P.S. Also, the car hates me and doesn’t want me to drive it ever again.”


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[Moneyhands23]

This situation could get real real ugly if Adam's stays firm and nobody moves up their offer.

I can see the Sabers just screwing any bit of credibility in the league if the shelf a guy and keep him out for the season.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

This situation could get real real ugly if Adam's stays firm and nobody moves up their offer.

I can see the Sabers just screwing any bit of credibility in the league if the shelf a guy and keep him out for the season.

There will be a day where GMs won't even take his call. They'll say call us back in the off season, let us know if we're on his trade list, and we'll let you know what we think he's worth at that point.

[Number 39]

It's been stated that they are holding out for a Duchene type return. Yes, that worked for the Avs but you have to assume other GM's took note how that worked out for Senators as well and learned from it too.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Having an angry and defiant Eichel on the team will be a huge distraction and a bad environment for the Sabres’ younger players to develop in.

Meanwhile, what pressure are the potential trade partners under? Anaheim, LA, and the Rangers are all rebuilding. The fanbase on CP may be impatient to get an Eichel deal done, but I doubt Treliving will get fired of he doesn’t make a deal. What’s the consequences for those GMs of simply walking away? Very little.

He will be on the roster. That does not mean he will be around the other players however.

Adams own words

"We're in control of this process. We have a player under contract. We don't feel any pressure," he said. "If there's a deal out there that we feel is going to help us improve right away or down the road, we'd be open to it. But we're not going to do something to do it. That doesn't make any sense."

Adams has gone so far as to say that the Eichel drama could extend into the preseason. "I would have no problem at all if Jack Eichel is on our team when we start training camp," he said.

Unless i missed something, he is not able to play at this point. That won't change until an agreed upon surgery/treatment occurs with whomever that might be.

All the leverage between the team and the player belongs to the team at this point. That's not debatable. Which is why they can wait as long as they wish to move him. All it costs them is money once the season starts because, and again, they aren't making any deal that would improve them for this season. Futures will still be futures 8 months from now.

And where did i say any other team was under pressure to trade for him?

Not sure how that could even occur.

Again, its a bold strategy but its pretty clear thats the one they have chosen, rightly or wrongly.

Maybe an early season ending injury occurs to a main piece on a SC contender and things change....which would then play into the Sabres wishes.

This thing will not be resolved soon unless someone blinks and pays their price though.

[SportsJunky]

"We don't feel any pressure"
Lol, c'mon Kevin.

[868904]

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2194186

Interesting article with Tkachuk, doesn’t sound like he doesn’t like his teammates or wants out.

[Remember1989]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

"We don't feel any pressure"
Lol, c'mon Kevin.

Would we give any credit to good 'ol Kevyn if the Sabres management team have determined that the longer they can drag this out then the later Jack gets his surgery and the more "valuable" the pick they get in return from the handicapped team is?

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by 868904

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2194186

Interesting article with Tkachuk, doesn’t sound like he doesn’t like his teammates or wants out.

Tkachuk is an all-world talker.