2024 NHL Draft Thread

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

They may view that 1D as a huge building block though. And take a chance on a forward at 18, and high in next years draft. If they take a F this year and D next year, that D is another year away, when they already take longer to develop. Getting competitive by the end of Bedards ELC is probably the goal

Yes, I don't see them passing up on picking whatever defender they want in this year's strong D draft class for a Russian forward. I get the skill with Demidov, but as you said, getting a 1D early in the rebuild is a big deal so that he's clicking when they start to compete.

They can get their top line forward next year, as they're still probably going to be bottom 3.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Buium
4. Levshunov
5. Dickinson
6. Parekh
7. Iginla
8. Catton
9. Helenius
10. Eiserman
11. Yakemchuk

Wilcards are Lindstrom and Silayev

If we take Helenuis with Lindstrom still on the board, I will throw things.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800209886636335149

Has there ever been a player as polarizing as Silayev?

A few weeks before the draft and he's been ranked as high as #2 in some publications, and as low as #22 here.

That's just nuts.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Has there ever been a player as polarizing as Silayev?

A few weeks before the draft and he's been ranked as high as #2 in some publications, and as low as #22 here.

That's just nuts.

Big=Good=Bad lol
Although Bader’s model definitely won’t like him

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

If we take Helenuis with Lindstrom still on the board, I will throw things.

Yup, it's definitely Lindstrom>Helenius.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s the size but also he has zero offensive output throughout his career. If you’re spending a top 10 pick on someone you would like some offence.

[dammage79]

I Silayev has all the tools to blossom offensively later on in his development. The skating is an outlier for a kid his size. And he has good hands. He's neck and neck with Dickinson for me. The bottom end of the top tier of Dmen available.

It should be:
1. Levshunov
2. Parekh
3. Buium
4. Dickinson
5. Silayev

Offensive D men like Parekh always go higher.
Levshunov is definitely the best overall available. That's not been contested much at all in any draft ranking.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I Silayev has all the tools to blossom offensively later on in his development. The skating is an outlier for a kid his size. And he has good hands. He's neck and neck with Dickinson for me. The bottom end of the top tier of Dmen available.

It should be:
1. Levshunov
2. Parekh
3. Buium
4. Dickinson
5. Silayev

Offensive D men like Parekh always go higher.
Levshunov is definitely the best overall available. That's not been contested much at all in any draft ranking.

I’d say it’s a top 4 dmen and than a tier below with Yak and Silayev. He has shown zero offence in his career. You can probably take him if your a team deep in prospects, or don’t have projects already in the system.

First pick in the rebuild can’t be a 3rd pairing player.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Has there ever been a player as polarizing as Silayev?

A few weeks before the draft and he's been ranked as high as #2 in some publications, and as low as #22 here.

That's just nuts.

Bader's model seems to punish his size, because so few guys as tall as him have become stars, and it doesn't seem to give him as much credit for offence potential because he played as a 17 year old in the KHL, even though his 11 points in 63 games was more than any under 18-year old scored in that league.

But yeah, more than Bader's model, it sounds like this guy is hard to peg, partly because of him being Russian and playing where NHL guys don't get to see him.

Pronman published this piece this morning, which quotes scouts and executives on a few of the top prospects:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/551...brini-demidov/

Scout 2: “Silayev is a freak. He has star written all over him. If he were in North America he would have challenged Celebrini all season for the No. 1 prospect.”

Executive 1: “On pure talent, it would be Silayev, but I don’t know if I could call that name given the KHL risks as opposed to one of the other studs available.”

Executive 3: “Silayev is so tantalizing. He’s such a good skater for a guy his size. He’s very physical. He can move pucks. He has superstar potential. You can’t find someone like him other than the draft.”

Scout 7: “Silayev looks great but we never saw him live so it’s tough to feel confident in putting a guy that high on your list.”

Scout 1: “Anton Silayev. “I worry about the offense in his game. His puck moving, for the NHL, is basic. He’s very good but I don’t see the star potential others do.”

[Major Major]

Hockey prospecting model is always going to look weird because the only thing it values is total points in any given league. It's meant to be a bit of a jarring list imo.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I doubt Silayev goes past Utah’s pick if given the chance. Come draft day I think he’s either a Hawk, Duck, or Utah.

[Royle9]

I still believe he’s the last of the D taken;

Levshunov
Buium
Parekh
Dickinson

All go first I think.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I still believe he’s the last of the D taken;

Levshunov
Buium
Parekh
Dickinson

All go first I think.

I think the only one on that list he might jump ahead of is Dickinson. Nothing against him but I believe he is one of the “safest” but also most “luke warm” prospects of this draft. He is one of the most NHL-ready prospects behind only Celebrini IMO. He doesn’t do any one thing at an elite level but he does everything well. His floor is probably the highest out of all the defencemen in the draft - probably a decent bet he is at least a #4 defenceman who might see time on a second powerplay unit at the NHL level. Some may look at all those things and say that’s a great player to get in the top 10 of a draft and they will likely be right. Especially since he could blossom into a top pairing defencemen.

Compare that with the gamble of picking one of the other top defencemen -amongst Parekh, Buium, Levshunov, Yakemchuk, Silayev and Hutson:

-I think at least one of those players will eventually be a #1 NHL defenceman who runs a top powerplay unit, is top 5 in scoring from defencemen and is an all star.
-I think at least one will become a 5th/6th defencemen who never really sorts out the weakness in their game (defensively or offensively).
-I think at least one will never really make it as a full time NHL defenceman and neger really reaches his potential.
-I think at least one will become a second pairing defenceman that gets some 2nd powerplay unit time and puts up somewhere around 30-40 points per season.

There are of course no guarantees in the draft and projections can be very wrong as early as one year from now. This is just how I see it right now going into the draft. You could take Dickinson and 5 years from now be saying you’re glad you did not take player “x” or player “y” from that list of defencemen while also saying you missed an opportunity by not taking player “z” from that same list. All depends on how much of a swing the GM wants to take.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is Dickinson comparable to Hanifin ?

[icarus]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800542816894165246

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800209886636335149

Interesting that Eiserman is ranked 8th and 7th on these lists....

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Those Redline Report comments like Tin Men for lack of heart etc. wtf?

What doosh is writing that stuff?

RLR has been using these one-liner zingers in their draft guides for at least 20 years. Not saying it's right but they've always tried to make witty nutshell remarks that sometimes leave you wincing.

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is Dickinson comparable to Hanifin ?

Are you comparable to Puckluck?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is Dickinson comparable to Hanifin ?

I don’t remember where I read it but I think I saw a Pietrangelo comparison. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, I believe Dickinson plays both sides too but LD is preferred.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is Dickinson comparable to Hanifin ?

A decent comparison although Hanifin has always had elite skating ability where as I have not really heard that as much for Dickinson. His skating is a strength I believe but not considered elite. Some better NHL comparisons might be Brandon Carlo or Travis Sanheim as a floor… Noah Dobson or Jon Carlson as a ceiling.

[Sandman]

I believe it was me who came up with the Pietrangelo comparison, but he might be closer to an Ekblad, as I think he’s going to put up more points than Pietrangelo. Hanifin might not be an apt comparison, as Dickinson is more physical.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I believe it was me who came up with the Pietrangelo comparison, but he might be closer to an Ekblad, as I think he’s going to put up more points than Pietrangelo. Hanifin might not be an apt comparison, as Dickinson is more physical.

I think thats a good call. Really fluid skater i think its deceptive. Cannon of a shot some smart power play coach will take advantage of.