I think we just have to acknowledge that we were watching these shows when we were basically kids and these guys were middle-aged back then, now they're getting really old.
They're going to start dropping pretty quickly.
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Season 5 starts with the crew attempting to prove Gowron is a changeling, only to find out it was Martok all along. This at least opens up Gowron’s mind to resuming the Federation-Klingon alliance later in the season.
Other big developments see Odo struggling to adapt to life as a solid, including getting laid, until another changeling uses its death to give Odo back his changing ability. Odo also has his feelings for Kira revealed, including a different Odo dooming an entire planet of survivors in order to save Kira’s life. We also see that Odo mistakenly sentenced 3 Bajorans to death in the past.
Speaking of Kira, she breaks up with Shakaar, and she and Odo agree to put any romantic feelings on hold, her actions during the Occupation have a consequence as members of her old cell are eliminated, and she has to deal with leaving her father for revenge, only for him to die while she was away.
It is discovered that Bashir was replaced by a changeling at some point; Worf and Garak discover the real Bashir at a prison camp, along with Garak’s father, Enabran Tain, and the real Martok. The Cardassians decide to join up with the Dominion, and Dukat, upset at his daughter’s friendship with Garak, abandons her on DS9. We also learn that Bashir was genetically enhanced, resulting in his dad going to jail.
Dax and Worf’s relationship grows closer, and they both help Martok reclaim his honour after his captivity. Worf ends up joining the House of Martok, and in the first episode, he duels with Gowron, and not for the last time.
Jake and Nog move in together; Jake also sees the horrors of war up front when he and Bashir end up at a Federation outpost under attack by the Klingons. One of the seasons best episodes involve them trying to get a rare baseball card for Sisko, resulting in cheering up all the main staff.
Even Quark hooks up with his Klingon ex-wife, has to deal with his mother dating the Grand Nagus, gets permission to run his business again from Ferenginar, and gets to see Rom and Leeta get married. He also tries arms dealing, to no one’s satisfaction.
O’Brien has to worry about his son being carried by Kira, growing closer to her, and then having Keiko taken over by a Pah-Wraith, one of the most divisive creations in all of DS9, which would go on to play a pivotal role in the last season.
As for Sisko, he’s everywhere this season, including having visions that piss of Starfleet, in which he tells Bajor to delay entering the Federation, and Jake has to decide whether to let him live, or die to see out his visions. Kasidy comes back and they resume their relationship, and he spends some time hunting down Eddington, finally getting his man, only to have to release hm to save some Maquis, resulting in Eddington’s death.
Regular guest stars Dukat, Garak, Winn, Rom, Leeta, Zek, Brunt, Ishka, Damar, Ziyal, and Weyoun all return. We also find out that the Vorta are clones, which allows them to keep using Jeffrey Combs, which is awesome. We also get Zimmerman (the EMH) from Voyager.
DS9 continues its run of excellent guest stars; we get Phil Morris, Kurtwood Smith, Vanessa Williams and Monte Markham, Brian George, Lawrence Tierney and Steven Berkoff, David Graf and Rick Worthy as Klingons, and Brian Markinson.
And of course, no summary of DS9 Season 5 is complete without mentioning the masterful “Trials and Tribble-ations,” in which the crew travel back in time to Kirk’s time, looking for a bomb amongst the tribbles on the old Enterprise, and where Worf refuses to talk about why Klingons now look different from Klingons then.
The season ends with the Federation abandoning DS9, as the Bajorans now have a non-aggression pact with the Dominion, with Odo, Kira, Quark – and Jake – left behind as the Federation leaves cloaked mines to prevent Dominion reinforcements.
This was a season that Gene probably never would have allowed, and it is a fantastic season, and shows why I love DS9 so much.
Season 5 was an amazing season, and yeah among the episodes
Apocalypse Rising, Nor the Battle the Strong, Trials and Trubulations, The Ascent (Great character episode), For the Uniform, In Purgatory's shadow, By Inferno's light, Soldiers of the Empire, In the Cards, Call to Arms.
There weren't a lot of weak episodes in Season 5, but the strong episodes were just incredibly strong.
Cirric Lofton (Jake) was really good in season 5, As was the late Aron Eisenberg. J.G Hertzler really arrived as Martok as well.
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Trials and Tribulations was one ofy favourite Star Trek episodes across the board.
DS9 was of course darker, but when they did a 'fun' episode, it usually worked. Trials and Tribulations, Take Me Out to the Holosuite, The Magnificent Ferengi, Little Green Men - all great.
Trials and Tribulations was one ofy favourite Star Trek episodes across the board.
DS9 was of course darker, but when they did a 'fun' episode, it usually worked. Trials and Tribulations, Take Me Out to the Holosuite, The Magnificent Ferengi, Little Green Men - all great.
That was something about DS9 that I think a lot of people didnt really grasp, and that was their range.
Of course we all know that the best thing to happen to DS9 was Voyager, but DS9 could go as dark as it wanted and balance it off with some light-hearted episodes, they could delve into the banalities Bajoran religion with Kai Wynn and torture O'Brien or play baseball, they just had so much range!
And Trials and Tribble-ations is easily top 5 or 10 Trek Episodes in Franchise history. The work they put into that episode? The cast and characters, how everything looked and worked and sounded and blended? Unbelievable.
I dont know whose idea that was, but that guy deserves and award of some kind. Like a special award, like an Oscar but instead a Golden O'Brien!
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Thats something that I really liked, and I dont know which writer was chiefly responsible, but Quark was great.
Ultimately, Economics is a broad study of societal behavior that analyzes patterns and trends and they played Quark as a master of it, but at the same time the writers had to understand it as well.
Then you get to juxtapose that with another society that has eliminated economics. It was very interesting.
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If you thought this season would have a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
That was something about DS9 that I think a lot of people didnt really grasp, and that was their range.
Of course we all know that the best thing to happen to DS9 was Voyager, but DS9 could go as dark as it wanted and balance it off with some light-hearted episodes, they could delve into the banalities Bajoran religion with Kai Wynn and torture O'Brien or play baseball, they just had so much range!
And Trials and Tribble-ations is easily top 5 or 10 Trek Episodes in Franchise history. The work they put into that episode? The cast and characters, how everything looked and worked and sounded and blended? Unbelievable.
I dont know whose idea that was, but that guy deserves and award of some kind. Like a special award, like an Oscar but instead a Golden O'Brien!
This was a Paramount thing to celebrate the 30th Anniversary of Trek. It was the same reason why they had the VOY ep where the recreated Sulu and Excelsior.
Quark is easily my favorite character in the entire Star Trek franchise. He's so good that Colm Meaney just turned Quark into Thomas Durant for Hell On Wheels. Its uncanny, actually, and you could easily deepfake Quark's head and face onto Durant's body and aside from him being an alien there'd be zero change to the character, their intentions/motivations, hell even the speaking style.
I just binged the second season of Prodigy, and aside from Lower Decks (which I kind of have in its own bubble being a slapstick comedy) it is exactly the Trek sauce we've all been waiting for since Fat Riker killed Trip. 11/10.
SNW jumped the shark with that stupid effing musical.
DIS was a trainwreck start to finish. If they could of made it to season five Burnham by season two then I think it could of been saved.
PIC was an unmitigated disaster that saw my childhood space Dad who I admired so much turned into a bumbling and pathetic fool. A drunk that cosplays as a space pirate and pities himself. They ruined the rest of them as well, except for Crusher who they managed to actually turn into a legit badass and a total GILF.
Prodigy season one was great. Way, way better than I was expecting and although intended as a kid's show it is really not. Once in a while the writers will use a silly plot device to move a lot of story forward (just like most kids shows) but for the most part it is still just straight up Trek. The show feels like we did as kids watching and wishing to be there, and that is what makes it so good.
This second season of Prodigy is as Trek as it gets. Picardo and Beltran are both full time and absolutely shine. Actually, I'm shocked how good Beltran is. He had a couple scenes with one of the kids where I forgot I was even watching animation, and if they recorded that dialogue separately instead of in the booth together then both the director and the two actors deserve awards. Just outstanding.
The slightly undercooked animation is made up for by having a real orchestra and full score. Obviously that is where the budget went. I bet someone here on CP could likely recreate the Prodigy animation style in Unreal Engine. But its a small gripe, as I've always thought one of the ways to tell a stronger episode from a weaker one is if you took away the visuals could the episode stand on the audio alone. Prodigy certainly can.
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I get that Chakotay was a ####ty representation of indigenous culture, but I actually always loved the character and Robert Beltran. The Doctor irritated me a lot until season 3 or so of Voyager, and then less but still more than was reasonable tbh. I like Picardo but the Doctor was such a snivellus most of the time.
SNW can come back from the musical. Just like TNG was still good after everyone wore tights on the holodeck, again.
Tights on the holodeck was silly, but it was a Q thing. And Robin Hood is classical literature so while really silly it wasn't unprecedented and it happened to one crew on one ship, where they could agree to never speak of it again.
SNW could of survived it if it was an internal only, just us vs this week's space stuff episode. But it went fleet wide and into Klingon history as well. And then the Klingons were doing Kpop? Horrible horrible horrible. Killed my interest in the show entirely and I haven't had any interest to come back to it.
SNW can come back from the musical. Just like TNG was still good after everyone wore tights on the holodeck, again.
Q-Pid is a ####ing masterpiece and I won't stand for this.
The episode stands the test of time if just for that full-on marriage-ruining make-out between Patrick Stewart and Jennifer Hetrick at the start of the episode. That's some steamy stuff, boys and girls. Vash is a little self-centered though. All about him not talking about her to his friends and not a single "Sorry you got turned into a Borg." smh
TNG also survived ghost rape. Voyager survived Janeway-Paris lizard babies and warp 10. DS9 survived Calamaraine.
Etc.
I personally like the klingon Kpop. Thought it was a fun modern twist and the entire episode wasn't meant to be overly serious. The real problem is modern tv season length prevents casts from having fun episodes interspersed with the story episodes for great character development. That's why some hated it so much, it took away from the now very limited time they have for story and universe build out.
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