Moore would likely be a comparable in terms of bombastic half truths however he would still be fundamentally more sound on policy even if that policy was very naive.
He wouldn't win though.
Jill Stein's policies would be the comparable to what trump is spewing. The mainstream democratic base just wouldn't follow it.
I've been trying to think of an equivalent of Trump on the left.
I still haven't come up with one. There's just a higher bar.
An ecologically concerned doctor (being smeared with the left's favourite tactic) and a dramatic filmmaker are not Trump equivalents.
The most informed elements of the citizenry are currently on the left.
For all my criticisms of the tactics of triangulation, it did have the effect of moving the well-informed and intellectual elements of the American society toward the left; the right kept crawling into smaller and stinkier holes of willful ignorance.
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There's no equivalent of Trump on the left because Trump isn't strictly right. His policies are all over the spectrum. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, except for all his ridiculous policies.
I've been trying to think of an equivalent of Trump on the left.
I still haven't come up with one. There's just a higher bar.
An ecologically concerned doctor (being smeared with the left's favourite tactic) and a dramatic filmmaker are not Trump equivalents.
The most informed elements of the citizenry are currently on the left.
For all my criticisms of the tactics of triangulation, it did have the effect of moving the well-informed and intellectual elements of the American society toward the left; the right kept crawling into smaller and stinkier holes of willful ignorance.
In general I agree though Anti-vax is as bad as anti-climate change.
There are fringe elements of the left who don't believe in vaccines. Not believing in climate change is a mainstream right wing position.
And both beliefs are firmly rooted in the idea that the jury's still out on science. That was the point I think, not that conservatives have a monopoly on ignorance.
And both beliefs are firmly rooted in the idea that the jury's still out on science. That was the point I think, not that conservatives have a monopoly on ignorance.
Wasn't the point initially trying to find a left wing comparable to Trump? So in greenlanterns post, he is implying that a topic like vaccines is apples and oranges because you couldn't rally a significant portion of liberal/democratic voters to that message like you can with things like climate change on the right.
some of that is a function of the party construction. On any issue democrats are less unified. They are a Collition of people who aren't republicans and don't really have core tent pole values the way the republicans do outside of access to abortion.
It makes them much more immune to trump like people
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Are anti-vaxxers really on the left though? I know some are, but I always figured you could find them on both sides.
And I don't really think it is because most of them feel the jury is still out on science, but rather they just have a mistrust of authority and belief in conspiracy theories.
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some of that is a function of the party construction. On any issue democrats are less unified. They are a Collition of people who aren't republicans and don't really have core tent pole values the way the republicans do outside of access to abortion.
It makes them much more immune to trump like people
Unless you're suggesting that Trump and Bernie are similar as people, which is absurd.
No, I'm suggesting that in this case, the establishment was able to absorb populist impulses of the base without making too many political concessions.
The Republicans could not do that, and they paid the price for a fully populist candidate.
This doesn't mean the same thing will not happen to the Democrats, particularly if they completely drift away from their ethnic base. So far, black and Hispanic voters have not shown much disloyalty, but that could change.
The Democrats are fast on the way to becoming the party of the white, urban elite.
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The fourth highest popular portion of the popular vote at the time the opponents dropped out. She maintained a 200 pledged delegate lead from Super Tuesday onward.
The fourth highest popular portion of the popular vote at the time the opponents dropped out. She maintained a 200 pledged delegate lead from Super Tuesday onward.
It wasn't close.
Yeah, but I never said that it was a close call or whatever. I never felt the Bern.
I am just saying that his populist appeal managed to influence the Clinton camp. Nothing controversial there.
This doesn't mean the same thing will not happen to the Democrats, particularly if they completely drift away from their ethnic base. So far, black and Hispanic voters have not shown much disloyalty, but that could change..
Yes the GOP has done a bang up job this election making themselves a viable alternative for minorities. Someday the GOP won't be populated by tons of racists, but that's a good 20-30 years down the line.
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Yes the GOP has done a bang up job this election making themselves a viable alternative for minorities. Someday the GOP won't be populated by tons of racists, but that's a good 20-30 years down the line.
Well, I think we have seen the GOP mainly or entirely disintegrate. Whatever happens there will be almost certainly novel or something. We don't know.
My only point is that the Democrats are probably next.
Democrats are going nowhere. They've built a potentially dominant coalition for years to come. That's why the GOP dicking this election up so badly with Hispanics will have lasting consequences.
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Democrats are going nowhere. They've built a potentially dominant coalition for years to come. That's why the GOP dicking this election up so badly with Hispanics will have lasting consequences.
I don't think so. They're benefiting from Trump a lot, and will probably get even more cache out of him for the next couple of cycles.
