2016 NHL Draft

[Poe969]

This draft can't come soon enough... I just want it to happen already. I'm looking forward to the off season more than I'm enjoying the playoffs now

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Poe969

This draft can't come soon enough... I just want it to happen already. I'm looking forward to the off season more than I'm enjoying the playoffs now

Same here. At least then we'll have an idea of what steps will be taken to shape the team moving forward. Between the draft and UFA day, it'll be a fun stretch (we all hope) to see what is added to the organization.

[dammage79]

Dimitri Sokolov sounds like a buy low/big reward kind of pick in the 2nd this year.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

Again, the hype. When do these players actually step up and prove they are as good as you suggest? Monahan is the best of that draft and has proven it in spades. Not only has he stepped up and become an important core player for his team, he has actually done it in multiple years.

These guys are 20-21! Of course they haven't stepped up and become important core pieces of their teams for multiple years.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

IF we trade down.. for someone like Brown or even a D-man we're high on, I have a feeling we could do business with Arizona. Especially if Tkachuk is available where we pick. Tkachuk was born in Scottsdale, like Matthews. He would fit very well with Domi Duclair, OEL and Strome. We need a goalie. They have Mike Smith (I know, we'd all prefer Fleury or Reimer) AND Treliving obviously was with the Coyotes.

The problem is that Smith has a terrible contract and his cap hit goes up to something like 6.5 next season. He also hasnt been playing his best hockey in the last little while. IF they are willing to hold some of that salary and give up a secondary pick..I can see us doing business with them. It could make a lot of sense if we rate a player who we like more than Tkachuk being available at 7. They probably want to move Smith, seeing how close they are to the cap and the financial situation the Coyotes are in.

It could be a win win - they get their hometown kid, we move down and get a player we rate higher than him, pick up a half decent goalie, and take Brown/Nylander/Sergachev/who ever we like at 7.

The only doubt I have is concerning Smith. His recent play and his contract arent very enticing.

Something like Smith (retained salary), 1st round pick swap, meh prospect and a 2nd or 3rd (from ARZ). Arizona gets their consolation hometown kid in Tkachuk, we take our guy, or even trade down further. Some may think its an overpayment on the Coyotes part to move up one pick..but considering their hometown kid is lighting up the memorial cup and getting lots of press - if we can trick them into thinking we are ready to take him - they could be tempted to overpay a bit.

Although I'm high on Nylander, I see the players after 5-6 interchangable depending on a teams scouts and their organizational needs (some teams factor that in to BPA). It could work out really well for us. There are a lot of players I like in the 16-35 range and maybe we use the acquired picks and other assets after we snag someone at 7-10 and also move up and get another pick in the mid-late first to take someone who fell but our scouts are high on.

The big ifs for me are Smith and who our scouts like. Maybe they have their eyes on 2-3 players between 7-30, rather than just one top 6 guy.

I don't know, it seems like Smith's best years are behind him and his worst contract is ahead of him. Pass

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

IF we trade down.. for someone like Brown or even a D-man we're high on, I have a feeling we could do business with Arizona. Especially if Tkachuk is available where we pick. Tkachuk was born in Scottsdale, like Matthews. He would fit very well with Domi Duclair, OEL and Strome. We need a goalie. They have Mike Smith (I know, we'd all prefer Fleury or Reimer) AND Treliving obviously was with the Coyotes.

The problem is that Smith has a terrible contract and his cap hit goes up to something like 6.5 next season. He also hasnt been playing his best hockey in the last little while. IF they are willing to hold some of that salary and give up a secondary pick..I can see us doing business with them. It could make a lot of sense if we rate a player who we like more than Tkachuk being available at 7. They probably want to move Smith, seeing how close they are to the cap and the financial situation the Coyotes are in.

It could be a win win - they get their hometown kid, we move down and get a player we rate higher than him, pick up a half decent goalie, and take Brown/Nylander/Sergachev/who ever we like at 7.

The only doubt I have is concerning Smith. His recent play and his contract arent very enticing.

Something like Smith (retained salary), 1st round pick swap, meh prospect and a 2nd or 3rd (from ARZ). Arizona gets their consolation hometown kid in Tkachuk, we take our guy, or even trade down further. Some may think its an overpayment on the Coyotes part to move up one pick..but considering their hometown kid is lighting up the memorial cup and getting lots of press - if we can trick them into thinking we are ready to take him - they could be tempted to overpay a bit.

Although I'm high on Nylander, I see the players after 5-6 interchangable depending on a teams scouts and their organizational needs (some teams factor that in to BPA). It could work out really well for us. There are a lot of players I like in the 16-35 range and maybe we use the acquired picks and other assets after we snag someone at 7-10 and also move up and get another pick in the mid-late first to take someone who fell but our scouts are high on.

The big ifs for me are Smith and who our scouts like. Maybe they have their eyes on 2-3 players between 7-30, rather than just one top 6 guy.

That's not going to happen. They will not trade up or down so lets talk about the 6th overall pick.

[Hackey]

I'd be pretty choked if we passed on Tkachuk for Mike Smith. I don't think I'd want Mike Smith even if he was free.

[Poe969]

The Flames are trading up to get the #3 pick to get Puljujarvi....that would be the most ideal situation anyway lol. At this point I don't think I could be disappointed with any pick the Flames make, there are just too many guys in the 6 and up range that I'd like and think would be good. This is going to be another good draft for the Flames.

[Roof-Daddy]

I doubt the Flames will look to acquire Mike Smith. Other than one spectacular season in Arizona, he's had a very average to below average career, plus he's 34.

However, even if they do (inexplicably) see him as the answer to our starter problem, I'm quite confident they won't see trading down to acquire his services as an option. It'd be more likely Matt Stajan plus a 3rd round pick for Mike Smith or something like that.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Trading down for Smith would make me lose all faith in the team's management. Most I would offer for Smith would be Stajan and Raymond, but the Coyotes would need to retain 1.5m to compensate for the term. As it stands, Mike Smith has one of the worst contracts in the NHL.

Smith+8 OA for Hickey+35 OA would be closer than Smith+8 OA for 6 OA considering Smith's contract and the fact Arizona wants Domingue to be their guy and they are a budget team.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The Flames are trading up to get the #3 pick to get Puljujarvi....that would be the most ideal situation anyway lol. At this point I don't think I could be disappointed with any pick the Flames make, there are just too many guys in the 6 and up range that I'd like and think would be good. This is going to be another good draft for the Flames.

If the Flames were willing, to take Clarksons contract, I think the Blue Jackets may think about trading the third pick:

To Calgary:
3rd pick
Bobrovsky(2 million retained by Colmbus)
Clarkson(the Flames buy him out)

To Colmbus:
6th pick
Wideman
2nd round picl
Shinkaruk

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Par

If the Flames were willing, to take Clarksons contract, I think the Blue Jackets may think about trading the third pick:

To Calgary:
3rd pick
Bobrovsky(2 million retained by Colmbus)
Clarkson(the Flames buy him out)

To Colmbus:
6th pick
Wideman
2nd round picl
Shinkaruk

Haha, no.

Have you seen the buy out on Clarkson's contract?

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_c...david-clarkson

No way, no how.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha, no.

Have you seen the buy out on Clarkson's contract?

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_c...david-clarkson

No way, no how.

That is a nasty buyout indeed. I could see Columbus really motivated to loose that. And it's not that it's the actual salary, it's the cap hit. That being said, if Columbus was to swap us picks with us taking on that buyout alone, it may be worth it for the 3rd overall which could be a very great player for years to come.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha, no.

Have you seen the buy out on Clarkson's contract?

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_c...david-clarkson

No way, no how.

That is a lot, dang I thought it would be lower than that.

[Par]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

That is a nasty buyout indeed. I could see Columbus really motivated to loose that. And it's not that it's the actual salary, it's the cap hit. That being said, if Columbus was to swap us picks with us taking on that buyout alone, it may be worth it for the 3rd overall which could be a very great player for years to come.

This is true, if you can get Johnny and Sean to sign front loaded contracts, which can help keep the cap low(for both say the cap hit is 12-13 million) then it can work.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Par

This is true, if you can get Johnny and Sean to sign front loaded contracts, which can help keep the cap low(for both say the cap hit is 12-13 million) then it can work.

There is no front loading of cap hits.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

There is no front loading of cap hits.

What I meant to say was sign them to front loaded contracts,'like they did with Kopitar.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Par

This is true, if you can get Johnny and Sean to sign front loaded contracts(there cap hit is 12-13 million) then it can work.

Even without front loaded contracts, I still think it would work. There will be guys coming off the books shortly like Wideman ( 5.25 m) in one year, Smid ( 3.5m ) in one year, Stajan in 2 years ( 3.125 m). Hiller and his 4.5m are gone as well. I expect Johnny's and Sean's new contracts to be similar to Taylor Halls, RNH's, Eberle's at 6 million per on a long term (6-8 years).

The one contract I am also not crazy about and could pose a problem is Frolik's. I think it's way to much to pay for a 3rd liner.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Even without front loaded contracts, I still think it would work. There will be guys coming off the books shortly like Wideman ( 5.25 m) in one year, Smid ( 3.5m ) in one year, Stajan in 2 years ( 3.125 m). Hiller and his 4.5m are gone as well. I expect Johnny's and Sean's new contracts to be similar to Taylor Halls, RNH's, Eberle's at 6 million per on a long term (6-8 years).

The one contract I am also not crazy about and could pose a problem is Frolik's. I think it's way to much to pay for a 3rd liner.

When he's healthy, Frolik is a 20/20 guy who kills penalties while not getting much/any time on the power play.

He's not a 3rd liner.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

When he's healthy, Frolik is a 20/20 guy who kills penalties while not getting much/any time on the power play.

He's not a 3rd liner.

When he's healthy, Carl Hagelin is a 20/20 guy who kills penalties while not getting much/any time on the power play.

...He's a 3rd liner.