2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Ashasx]

Just discussing rumours on your discussion board Bingo. Somehow it's always too early to evaluate a potential trade or hindsight is always 20/20.

[Monahammer]

Hey, someone's got to defend the organization's owners and long time managers from mean ol' fans posting on a message board "that no one from the org looks at".

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the Flames proceed to flip Necas and Orlov that is a pretty good trade. Presumably they would flip Orlov at some point with retention. They would then only have one retention spot left for 24/25.

My only issue with Necas is that I don’t think the Flames are competitive again until 2028/2029. In my opinion they should be driving towards that window, what assets can they acquire that will be contributing in 4-5 years time? Acquiring and holding on to Necas so that Coronato is stuck on the 3rd or 4th line does not make a lot of sense to me, I would rather see what we have with Coronato.

But there is spots to be had with Mangiapane out and Necas in.

Coronato will only be stuck on the 3rd line if he does not out play Zary, Pospsil and Pelleitier. At least for this year and maybe next.

Also being stuck on the 3rd line is ok when he projects to be a 2nd line player and gets to play with Backlund and Coleman.

Top teams have top players and the issue with everyone having is do we have the superstars to win. Right now, we don't and that list of don't includes Coronato. He's ok to be 2nd/3rd line player on a great team.

Florida is elite and the have the Barkov line and the Tkachuk line. Their top 6 isn't loaded with 6 elite stars, they have 2 and have other good young players in their top 9. Nothing wrong with making Coronato earn a spot in the top 9, we will be rolling 4 lines without players like Mcdavid anyways.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's a lot of condemnation based on a rumour that could easily be complete crap!

I think I'd be a basket case if I just reacted as if every rumour was gospel.

Our ownership is a pile of trash and never seems to let management do their jobs without external pressure to be competitive now.

As per Dreger, Conroy was not allowed to fully do his job at the deadline. Trash ownership group.

This is not a rumor either, it is a fact.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But there is spots to be had with Mangiapane out and Necas in.

Coronato will only be stuck on the 3rd line if he does not out play Zary, Pospsil and Pelleitier. At least for this year and maybe next.

Also being stuck on the 3rd line is ok when he projects to be a 2nd line player and gets to play with Backlund and Coleman.

Top teams have top players and the issue with everyone having is do we have the superstars to win. Right now, we don't and that list of don't includes Coronato. He's ok to be 2nd/3rd line player on a great team.

Florida is elite and the have the Barkov line and the Tkachuk line. Their top 6 isn't loaded with 6 elite stars, they have 2 and have other good young players in their top 9. Nothing wrong with making Coronato earn a spot in the top 9, we will be rolling 4 lines without players like Mcdavid anyways.

Bringing in Necas drops Coronato to the 4th line pretty much by default.

He needs ice time, and an opportunity.

I would much rather try to develop Coronato and see what we have with him, we are going to suck anyways. We don't need Necas and Kuzmenko blocking young players, and getting us 8-10 points in the standings.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Just discussing rumours on your discussion board Bingo. Somehow it's always too early to evaluate a potential trade or hindsight is always 20/20.

It is too early to evaluate a trade that hasn't happened yet. Necas for what exactly?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

It is too early to evaluate a trade that hasn't happened yet. Necas for what exactly?

9th overall hopefully.

[dammage79]

The Flames aren't trading 9th OA. Get that out of all y'all's heads right now.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Bringing in Necas drops Coronato to the 4th line pretty much by default.

He needs ice time, and an opportunity.

I would much rather try to develop Coronato and see what we have with him, we are going to suck anyways. We don't need Necas and Kuzmenko blocking young players, and getting us 8-10 points in the standings.

If Coronato can't crack this top 9 this season, it's because he isn't that good right now and needs more time.

Most rebuilding teams that throw youth into the top line do so with youth that is named McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Barkov, Bedard types. We are talking Coronato here. He likely needs time, and all our current young players could easily have their confidence crushed by getting killed on a nightly basis

Guys like Mcdavid and Matthews endured bad teams and were surrounded by a ton of youth as well, their confidence doesn't crushed because they are elite and scoring 60 goals and getting 150 points.

The Flames suck right now, don't have anyone that plays 22 mins a night. We can get ice for kids with Necas on the team.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If Coronato can't crack this top 9 this season, it's because he isn't that good right now and needs more time.

Most rebuilding teams that throw youth into the top line do so with youth that is named McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Barkov, Bedard types. We are talking Coronato here. He likely needs time, and all our current young players could easily have their confidence crushed by getting killed on a nightly basis

Guys like Mcdavid and Matthews endured bad teams and were surrounded by a ton of youth as well, their confidence doesn't crushed because they are elite and scoring 60 goals and getting 150 points.

The Flames suck right now, don't have anyone that plays 22 mins a night. We can get ice for kids with Necas on the team.

You expect him to beat out a newly acquired Necas who would likely be the top line RW, Kuzmenko and Coleman or Mangipane?

Is that really fair to the player?

[DB93]

What is the Canes want to trade Necas in a hockey transaction and the roster player(s) being offered by the Flames is deemed to be the best package? Flames could then immediately flip Necas for draft picks / prospects based on the level of apparent interest in the player. Teams see the potential in Necas…..one ppg season and has been limited to third line minutes.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You expect him to beat out a newly acquired Necas who would likely be the top line RW, Kuzmenko and Coleman or Mangipane?

Is that really fair to the player?

If he can't crack this top 9, he isn't that good. Does a top 9 stay the same all year? He plays well he will find his ice time.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Acquiring Necas isn't the end of the world. Sheesh.
In my opinion you have to still build a team around the kids and Necas in my mind replaces Mangiapane. And if they do acquire Necas it's Mang going the other way.

I don't believe Conroy is making a Necas trade spending his newly acquired draft capital unless it's a 3rd or something to balance out the deal.

Ppl need to step back off the ledge and judge the roster after its been made for the upcoming season.

We don't even have room for Mangiapane as is.

IMO we need to offload more pieces up front..

Huberdeau, Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Kadri, Zary, Pospisil, Backlund, Coleman, Pelletier, Coronato and Mangiapane are all players that are best served getting top 9 mins so we already have an issue here. Trading Mangiapane for Necas doesn't change that.

Pelletier and Pospisil would be fine on the 4th line but not ideal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If he can't crack this top 9, he isn't that good. Does a top 9 stay the same all year? He plays well he will find his ice time.

He was never played up the lineup.

Also who do you expect him to beat out, and what happens to that player?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But there is spots to be had with Mangiapane out and Necas in.

Coronato will only be stuck on the 3rd line if he does not out play Zary, Pospsil and Pelleitier. At least for this year and maybe next.

Also being stuck on the 3rd line is ok when he projects to be a 2nd line player and gets to play with Backlund and Coleman.

Top teams have top players and the issue with everyone having is do we have the superstars to win. Right now, we don't and that list of don't includes Coronato. He's ok to be 2nd/3rd line player on a great team.

Florida is elite and the have the Barkov line and the Tkachuk line. Their top 6 isn't loaded with 6 elite stars, they have 2 and have other good young players in their top 9. Nothing wrong with making Coronato earn a spot in the top 9, we will be rolling 4 lines without players like Mcdavid anyways.

If the Flames were to trade for Necas and they kept Sharangovich at center they would have the following wingers ahead of Coronato based on last year

Huberdeau
Necas
Kuzmenko
Coleman
Pospisil
Zary

If the suggestion is worry not because we can move Pospisil or Zary down to the 4th line my concern would remain the same. Getting a 25 year old RW should not really be a priority for this team at this point in time IMO. Don’t mind your trade as long as it is with an eye to maximize future assets and give existing young assets the opportunity to excel. This team will not be good for 4 years anyway so they might as well roll out a top 9 with 3 veteran wingers and 3 youngster, I think that is a perfectly fine mix.

Stankoven averaged 1.21 PPG in the AHL and got a chance on a playoff team playing with offensive players. Surely Coronato who averaged 1.02 PPG in the AHL can be given a chance in a scoring role on the Calgary Flames. Stankoven even got to play on a AHL team with some talented scorers, as evidenced by the fact that they had 32 more goals than the Wranglers and had 5 players with as many or more points than the Flames highest AHL scorers.

[Bonded]

My guess is it will be Hronek for Necas as a base and then the Canucks will re-sign Zadorov and sign Tanev.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Bonded

My guess is it will be Hronek for Necas as a base and then the Canucks will re-sign Zadorov and sign Tanev.

The Canucks may not have that kind of money/cap available.

Myers, Joshua, etc also looking to sign. I'm sure they could do the trade but it will likely alter any potential deals after that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Just discussing rumours on your discussion board Bingo. Somehow it's always too early to evaluate a potential trade or hindsight is always 20/20.

I dunno man didn’t you declare a couple days ago that the retool would never work because a podcaster suggested trading 9OA?

Maybe sometimes it is too early. Relax.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The Canucks may not have that kind of money/cap available.

Myers, Joshua, etc also looking to sign. I'm sure they could do the trade but it will likely alter any potential deals after that.

How much does Necas want? What does a 50 point winger get?

5.5?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I dunno man didn’t you declare a couple days ago that the retool would never work because a podcaster suggested trading 9OA?

Maybe sometimes it is too early. Relax.

I suggested a retool would never work because a podcaster suggested trading 9OA? Is that why I suggested a retool wouldn't work?