[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[Acey]

Well yeah. I've seen it repeatedly in this thread, people think that because Trump said so, he can just walk up to SCOTUS and get the entire election overturned. The reasoning is that "because that's what he said he was going to do".

[GirlySports]

Can anyone find what's the biggest city in the country that went for Trump?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by comrade

Not to mention Biden and the democrats actually need to do something over the next two years or they'll lose the next election. I can't believe all of the people already excusing Biden for doing nothing and blaming Mitch McConnell. If they don't meaningfully improve people's lives in the next two years they deserve to lose.

Why did 70 million people vote for Trump? Saying things like "they vote against their self interest" and "they're stupid" is lazy and only designed to comfort the people saying this stuff. Democrats haven't looked out for working class people in 50 years and they know it.

Anyway, I keep writing and deleting things, which means I'm ranting, so I'd better stop and actually work. Plus I'm sure this thread has moved on by now.

The Republicans aren''t looking out for the working class either. They've just managed to convince a whole bunch of gullible people that they are, and they've got the religious right fervently believing in their divine right to rule.


Sorry, but 70 million people willing to vote for someone who is corrupt, racist, homophobic, narcissistic, immature, petty, vengeful, compulsively unable to tell the truth, venal, brags about sexually assaulting women, mocks those with disabilities, encourages his followers to attack people who disagree with them, lets hundreds of thousands of people die and millions get sick so as to keep his own job, and in debt to unknown people don't get to claim their jobs as a viable reason to vote for him, especially considering the shape of the economy and the fact that he's been president for the past four years and things are objectively worse.


Calling them stupid is lazy. Calling them deplorable is accurate.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Morning.

Current Biden leads...

Georgia: 1579
Pennsylvania: 6826
Arizona: 47,052
Nevada: 11,438

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Ka...

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Meh...

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Ha...

Originally Posted by Coach

Just want to say I like where this is going...

Maybe a Spirit Bomb is more apt tho?

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Meh...

Hey Donald...



Ha.

[N-E-B]

I’m not overly educated on this issue so I’ll ask and see what you guys think. Would it be a bad idea in future elections to limit mail-in ballots to citizens living/working abroad, military personnel, and those with severe disabilities that prevent them from leaving home? I think they could extend in-person voting by a few days to reduce wait times at the polls. Maybe give three days to vote in person? I just don’t see any reason Joe Blow who lives in the suburbs of Philadelphia needs to be mailing in a ballot instead of voting in person.

I understand the concerns with COVID this year but there has to be a way to avoid this fiasco in the future.

I don’t know how feasible this is and I might be overlooking some problems here.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Acey

Well yeah. I've seen it repeatedly in this thread, people think that because Trump said so, he can just walk up to SCOTUS and get the entire election overturned. The reasoning is that "because that's what he said he was going to do".

That was his whole strategy, which blew up in his face. Was never going to happen. The election was going to be won on votes, what a concept! Trump probably lost votes telling people not to mail in because I'm sure there are Republican voters who couldn't make it to a polling station for various reasons.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Acey

Well yeah. I've seen it repeatedly in this thread, people think that because Trump said so, he can just walk up to SCOTUS and get the entire election overturned. The reasoning is that "because that's what he said he was going to do".

Repeatedly? I actually don't remember seeing this once. Unless I was tired or in bed.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m not overly educated on this issue so I’ll ask and see what you guys think. Would it be a bad idea in future elections to limit mail-in ballots to citizens living/working abroad, military personnel, and those with severe disabilities that prevent them from leaving home? I think they could extend in-person voting by a few days to reduce wait times at the polls. Maybe give three days to vote in person? I just don’t see any reason Joe Blow who lives in the suburbs of Philadelphia needs to be mailing in a ballot instead of voting in person.

I understand the concerns with COVID this year but there has to be a way to avoid this fiasco in the future.

I don’t know how feasible this is and I might be overlooking some problems here.

Yeah it would be a bad idea.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m not overly educated on this issue so I’ll ask and see what you guys think. Would it be a bad idea in future elections to limit mail-in ballots to citizens living/working abroad, military personnel, and those with severe disabilities that prevent them from leaving home? I think they could extend in-person voting by a few days to reduce wait times at the polls. Maybe give three days to vote in person? I just don’t see any reason Joe Blow who lives in the suburbs of Philadelphia needs to be mailing in a ballot instead of voting in person.

I understand the concerns with COVID this year but there has to be a way to avoid this fiasco in the future.

I don’t know how feasible this is and I might be overlooking some problems here.

The way to avoid it is to allow early ballots to be counted ahead of time. If anything mail-in balloting should be expanded, I wish we did it here.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Can anyone find what's the biggest city in the country that went for Trump?

My guess is OKC but I'd be curious to know this. Looks like Trump just barely won OKC.

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Repeatedly? I actually don't remember seeing this once. Unless I was tired or in bed.

I just quoted one and earlier responded to another.

[photon]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I understand the concerns with COVID this year but there has to be a way to avoid this fiasco in the future.

What fiasco? Waiting for results?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m not overly educated on this issue so I’ll ask and see what you guys think. Would it be a bad idea in future elections to limit mail-in ballots to citizens living/working abroad, military personnel, and those with severe disabilities that prevent them from leaving home? I think they could extend in-person voting by a few days to reduce wait times at the polls. Maybe give three days to vote in person? I just don’t see any reason Joe Blow who lives in the suburbs of Philadelphia needs to be mailing in a ballot instead of voting in person.

I understand the concerns with COVID this year but there has to be a way to avoid this fiasco in the future.

I don’t know how feasible this is and I might be overlooking some problems here.

These are great ideas. The main issue is that elections are run by states. There is no Elections Canada type body that governs elections. So as state legislatures changes, rules change.



Florida did it the best because the never want another 2000 debacle again. So they are allowed to count early. Maybe a good start would be for all currently Democrat controlled state legislatures to enact the Jeb Bush Election Law. I mean look at California. It takes them a month to count because nobody cares, they don't matter.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Ped

The Republicans aren''t looking out for the working class either. They've just managed to convince a whole bunch of gullible people that they are,

Well it's more that the Republicans will actually speak to the problems facing the working class, whereas the Democrats don't really. It's pretty telling when Donald freaking Trump is talking more about the opioid crisis in these towns than most of the high-profile Democrats.

Being heard and lied to is still better for a lot of people than not being heard at all.

[Yamer]

And finally the last of the drooped, rotting pumpkins is tossed out in November.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m not overly educated on this issue so I’ll ask and see what you guys think. Would it be a bad idea in future elections to limit mail-in ballots to citizens living/working abroad, military personnel, and those with severe disabilities that prevent them from leaving home? I think they could extend in-person voting by a few days to reduce wait times at the polls. Maybe give three days to vote in person? I just don’t see any reason Joe Blow who lives in the suburbs of Philadelphia needs to be mailing in a ballot instead of voting in person.

I understand the concerns with COVID this year but there has to be a way to avoid this fiasco in the future.

I don’t know how feasible this is and I might be overlooking some problems here.

What's the fiasco? That it took three days to know the result? That was really only because Republican state legislatures in a few key states (PA in particular) passed laws that mail-in ballots could only be counted after in-person ballots. They did this specifically so they could make it look like Trump won early then later claim voter fraud when there was none. Other states counted mail-in ballots in advance and were then able to announce the result much earlier on election day, e.g. Florida.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m not overly educated on this issue so I’ll ask and see what you guys think. Would it be a bad idea in future elections to limit mail-in ballots to citizens living/working abroad, military personnel, and those with severe disabilities that prevent them from leaving home? I think they could extend in-person voting by a few days to reduce wait times at the polls. Maybe give three days to vote in person? I just don’t see any reason Joe Blow who lives in the suburbs of Philadelphia needs to be mailing in a ballot instead of voting in person.

I understand the concerns with COVID this year but there has to be a way to avoid this fiasco in the future.

I don’t know how feasible this is and I might be overlooking some problems here.

It's actually the other way. Mail in voting should be encouraged and is the future of voting.

The answer is to extend the mail in voting window. Start well before the election and allow those votes to be counted upon receipt (without releasing the results).

Whether that window goes from a month before election day to a week after or a month before and three days after is up for debate but it doesn't matter too much. The answer is more mail in voting, better USPS delivery, more drop off places, more vote counting upon receipt of ballots.

This entire dumpster fire was created because some states weren't allowed to even look at the mail in ballots until the in person ballots were done. That's idiotic.

They also need more equipment to handle the volume. It is part of the reason AZ is so slow IIRC.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The way to avoid it is to allow early ballots to be counted ahead of time. If anything mail-in balloting should be expanded, I wish we did it here.

Exactly. Some states do it exclusively.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

A big dump in Arizona, Biden still up by 43k+.

You could smell that all the way up there? Sorry man, it was the three bean chili and eight beers last night. Really did it's thing this morn... Oh, you were talking about ballots. My bad.

[Sliver]

Not trying to gut the postal system in the weeks leading up to the election would have been cool, too.

[Acey]

You could make the argument that it's not even really a fiasco, only that people can't chill for a couple days during the count without trying to burn the house down. I agree that just counting them early is the obvious solution.