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Old 07-28-2024, 10:51 AM   #4121
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As I watch through DS9, while I am generally quite enjoying it, I am finding a lot of moments where I end up thinking about that line from Spaceballs: "Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."


Good lord I don't know how the Federation has held itself together the way it has beyond plot armor.
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As I watch through DS9, while I am generally quite enjoying it, I am finding a lot of moments where I end up thinking about that line from Spaceballs: "Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."


Good lord I don't know how the Federation has held itself together the way it has beyond plot armor.

I almost think that was on purpose.


If you think about it the Federation was just asking to get every square inch of their ass kicked.


"We're not a military, we're all explorers, and we bring our families on these road trips".


"We're a superior society of lecturers and unbearably arrogant snots".


"Then when things get bad, we're wlling to sell out our ideas in a hurry, we're just really bad at it".
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Old 07-28-2024, 12:05 PM   #4123
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This one's a Paramount+ movie, not a series, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have plans for a series if it's successful.

I watched Discovery all the way through because its Trek, but it was end to end awful.


This literally looks worse, what a terrible trailer. George is an awful character. I honestly through that this would be a terrific porn parody of Star Trek trailer.


I mean even the Strange New Worlds one didn't do much for me, but we know its quality Trek, except for the musical episode.
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Section 31 is an interesting premise and could have been good, but that trailer? That looks like a bag of ass.
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Old 07-28-2024, 02:39 PM   #4125
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Section 31 trailer looks like Suicide Squad set in the Star Trek universe.
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Section 31 trailer looks like Suicide Squad set in the Star Trek universe.
Honestly? That looks like absolute garbage. I am not anticipating it, there is nothing intriguing about it, you'd probably have to pay me to watch that.

It feels like since 'Discovery was a thing' they sunk a bunch of cash into this and felt..."fata it...we paid for it, so release it."

None of that looks interesting. The last time I saw a trailer that completely convinced me away from a movie was that Zac Snyder one? I dont even remember it's name.

You just watch the trailer and you know its going to be crap.

Imagine how that must feel for the guy who makes the trailer?

"Oh...this looks awful! How can I try and sell this dogcrap? Maybe if I move this here? No...thats not going to work. Welp. I did my best."
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Old 07-28-2024, 02:51 PM   #4127
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I almost think that was on purpose.


If you think about it the Federation was just asking to get every square inch of their ass kicked.


"We're not a military, we're all explorers, and we bring our families on these road trips".


"We're a superior society of lecturers and unbearably arrogant snots".


"Then when things get bad, we're wlling to sell out our ideas in a hurry, we're just really bad at it".
The Federation survives only because humans will it. Humans are the most dangerous species in Trek. Morally flexible, stubborn, smart, unpredictable, aggressive and patient, friendly, and hrony enough to sleep with pretty much anything.

They have repeatedly super scienced their way out of trouble repeatedly when cornered, so the safest thing another species like the Vulcans can do is ally with the humans.
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The Federation survives only because humans will it. Humans are the most dangerous species in Trek. Morally flexible, stubborn, smart, unpredictable, aggressive and patient, friendly, and hrony enough to sleep with pretty much anything.

They have repeatedly super scienced their way out of trouble repeatedly when cornered, so the safest thing another species like the Vulcans can do is ally with the humans.
Really...we do it all.

Every other race has specialties...Humans? We are the all seeing, all knowing meatbags of the Galaxy.

Bring it!
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The Federation survives only because humans will it. Humans are the most dangerous species in Trek. Morally flexible, stubborn, smart, unpredictable, aggressive and patient, friendly, and hrony enough to sleep with pretty much anything.

They have repeatedly super scienced their way out of trouble repeatedly when cornered, so the safest thing another species like the Vulcans can do is ally with the humans.

Because deep down, Humanity has never ever cast out its more savage nature, in the Federation time, they put a lace glove over it and hoped nobody noticed.


Humans are savage, territorial, judgemental and arrogant, we can say nice words and make nice speeches, and once a year we make a donation to a charity to make ourselves feel better.


But even with really advanced technology, if an alien race like the one in ID4 actually invaded the planet, they'd eventually lose, not because Mankind would unite under a flag of freedom. But our need to survive would open a jar of savagery that no alien invading our home court would ever be able to contain.


And after we beat down the alien threat, mankind would fly back to their home world and get some revenge for all the probing.
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It's hilarious how many people don't get that the humans are the baddies in Starship Troopers.
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Old 07-28-2024, 07:10 PM   #4131
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Because deep down, Humanity has never ever cast out its more savage nature, in the Federation time, they put a lace glove over it and hoped nobody noticed.


Humans are savage, territorial, judgemental and arrogant, we can say nice words and make nice speeches, and once a year we make a donation to a charity to make ourselves feel better.


But even with really advanced technology, if an alien race like the one in ID4 actually invaded the planet, they'd eventually lose, not because Mankind would unite under a flag of freedom. But our need to survive would open a jar of savagery that no alien invading our home court would ever be able to contain.


And after we beat down the alien threat, mankind would fly back to their home world and get some revenge for all the probing.
Yep, and in Trek we routinely do crazy #### just to see if we can, like punch a hole into an alternate universe and then fight the mirror universe versions of ourselves because they offend our sensibilities.

Humanity in Trek is easy to get along with and I think the various series have delved into how that's a choice we knowingly make while lying to ourselves about how nasty we can be. Quark could see it in DS9.

And being a species humans find humpable has to help in negotiations given how emotional/horny our species is.
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It's totally bizarre to me that filth like disco and that 31 trailer can get pumped out at the same time as lower decks and Strange New Worlds. Totally baffling.
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Wow Section 31 looks dreadful, worse than even my low expectations. The Discovery universe continues with that and Starfleet Academy while Lower Decks is ending… future doesn’t look so bright…
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Old 08-03-2024, 06:49 AM   #4134
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Finished my rewatch of Deep Space Nine, Season 4.


Yet another fantastic season, although a few episodes take you out of the loop a little. The seasons starts with the double-length episode “Way of the Warrior”, which through TNG on its ear by having the Klingons show up, go after the Cardassians believing that their citizens overthrowing the government was pushed by the Founders, and abandoning the peace treaty with the Federation.


This, of course, means Worf gets assigned to Deep Space Nine, and turns his back on the Empire once more, leaving his family to lose everything – we will see some of the repercussions later in the season. He has trouble acclimating to life on the station, to the point where he moves on to the Defiant.
The Dominion war is really kicked into high gear; they cause havoc on Earth with a bombing, which results in the cliched evil admiral to try to take over Starfleet from within, in an excellent two-part story that first introduces us to Sisko’s dad.


Speaking of Sisko, he goes bald this season which makes him even more of a badass. He also thinks he’s freed from Emissary duties in “Accession,” only to find out it means more than he thinks to him. He disappears on a mission into another existence, only to be snapped back when adult Jake poisons himself in “The Visitor.” His relationship with Kasidy accelerates, only to be betrayed twice in the same episode; first by Kasidy being a smuggler for the Maquis, which leads to her going to prison (and later returning), and then by Eddington using his feelings for her to steal industrial replicators, for which he promises to hunt him down personally.


But everyone has some key developments; O’Brien serves twenty years in prison in his mind in an excellent episode, and he and Bashir are at odds over trying to free the Jem’Hadar from ketracel white; Nog heads off to Starfleet Academy; Jake writes his first book; Worf adjusts to command instead of security; Kira gets involved with Shakaar and then ends up carrying the O’Brien’s baby after a shuttle accident (because Nana Visitor got pregnant in real life with Alexander Siddig’s baby): Dax meats the symbiont of one of her former host’s wife and wants to run away with her; and Quark is attained by the FCA after breaking a Ferengi contract. Both Siskos have to watch the mirror universe version of Jennifer die. Even Rom quits the bar to work for O’Brien, and the joke about Morn never shutting up is started.


And another huge season finale, in which Odo gets sick and is taken to the Founder’s homeworld, where is turned humanoid for harming another Founder at the end of Season 3, and the season ends with him saying that Gowron is a changeling.


Other highlights include “Little Green Men,” in which the three Ferengi and Odo travel back to Earth; “To the Death,” in which the cast and some Jem’Hadar team up to hunt down renegade Jem’Hadar; “Indiscretion,” in which Dukat and Kira hunt down a lost Cardassian ship carrying Bajoran prisoners.


Gowron moves from TNG, as does Worf. Recurring regulars Garak, Dukat, Rom, Nog, Leeta, and Brunt all make appearances. Lwaxana makes another appearance; she was much more muted on DS9, and it resulted in much better episodes. And we are introduced to more characters who will become important as the show moves on: General Martok, who commands the Klingon forces; Ziyal, who is Dukat’s half-Bajoran daughter who forms a friendship with Garak; and Damar, seen here as just an officer on Dukat’s ship, but whose arc with expand considerably. And then we also get Jeffrey Combs in his first appearance as Weyoun, the slimiest of the slimy.


As for guest stars, we get Tony Todd twice: First as adult Jake Sisko, and then to return as Kurn in a rather heart-breaking episode. We get Robert Foxworth, Ron Canada as a Klingon Lawyer, Clarence Williams III as a Jem’Hadar, Susan Gibney as someone other than Leah Brahms.


DS9 just continues to knock it out of the park.
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Sorry to bring down the mood - Nurse Ogawa has beamed up for her final away mission.

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Farewell Nurse Ogawa.
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It blows my mind to think she's in her late 30s in TNG. She looked amazing. Kind of bummed that I don't even think she even got name checked in Picard Season 3.
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RIP. It took TNG far too long to start exploring background characters on a ship with 1000s of people. She was one of the characters from one of the best episodes, and the inspiration for Lower Decks.
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Coincidentally I just found out yesterday that Gary Graham, who played 'Soval' on Enterprise, died in January. https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/gar...se-1235883509/
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Also did a guest spot on Voyager, which I do not remember.
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