2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If the Flames haven't got drafting and development figured out by now, no amount of trades of UFA signings will make them a contender.

So we should just accept they will not be a contender? The drafting and development may be improving slowly but it's not there yet and I don't think you put roster building on hold until better prospects come up through the pipeline. Jankowski may graduate next season but the team still badly needs a RW for the top line. Maybe Tkachuk could be that guy but chances are by the time the team develops one Johnny will be near the end of his current deal. Hamilton is a centerpiece of the franchise and he was acquired via trade and I think you can still make trades for core players providing they are at an age that falls in line with your existing core of players.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

edit: wrong thread

[Gaskal]

C'mon Tre, I wanna see another 'Dougie'.


2017 1st
2018 2nd
2018 3rd (cya Moose!)


Nino Neiderreiter


Means we'd need to give Vegas a late rounder not to take Lazar

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

C'mon Tre, I wanna see another 'Dougie'.


2017 1st
2018 2nd
2018 3rd (cya Moose!)


Nino Neiderreiter


Means we'd need to give Vegas a late rounder not to take Lazar

I'd be ok with that, then... sign Oshie, Versteeg and Stone.

[TheScorpion]

^ And then who can we afford to put in net?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I'd be ok with that, then... sign Oshie, Versteeg and Stone.

You wouldn't need Oshie at that point. Nor could you afford him.

[StrykerSteve]

Flames have quite a bit of cap space right now. Oshie would basically take Brouwer's spot, who I'm assuming is as good as gone to Vegas. So all you're really adding is Neiderreiter for the first line.

[Jaydee]

Oshie was a standout all playoffs for Washington. Put him on our top line and thats one of the most lethal lines in the league imo. Same for our pp and 3 on 3

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Flames have quite a bit of cap space right now. Oshie would basically take Brouwer's spot, who I'm assuming is as good as gone to Vegas. So all you're really adding is Neiderreiter for the first line.

Neiderreiter is likely to get 5.5-6 million on a long term deal though, add in Stone and a couple goalies and we wouldn't have that much cap space

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

C'mon Tre, I wanna see another 'Dougie'.


2017 1st
2018 2nd
2018 3rd (cya Moose!)


Nino Neiderreiter


Means we'd need to give Vegas a late rounder not to take Lazar

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I'd be ok with that, then... sign Oshie, Versteeg and Stone.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Looks good, but that 3rd lpairing would get walked night in night out

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Spending way too much $$$ on your top line that doesn't include a bona fide superstar.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Corral

Spending way too much $$$ on your top line that doesn't include a bona fide superstar.

That top line would dominate, JG would put up 90+

He is almost PPG playing with 3rd and 4th liners on the RW

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Flames have quite a bit of cap space right now. Oshie would basically take Brouwer's spot, who I'm assuming is as good as gone to Vegas. So all you're really adding is Neiderreiter for the first line.

He would look good on the top line but I don't know if he would consider playing in Canada. Not too often big name American born players in free agency sign in Canada. It makes a lot of sense for the Golden Knights to offer him a lot of money as he does have a bit of name recognition in the US as an Olympian.

[handgroen]

that roster doesn't make me drool TBH.
I like the Flames team and don't want to see a splurge in spending on UFAs or some drastic overhaul of the roster.
6 or 7 years ago the line from management was "stay the course" and i hated that. i wanted big big change.
this feels different. i think this roster will get better and yield better results year over year if we just keep reinvesting in our homegrown talent.
stabilize the situation in goal the same way we did before last season.
there's no johnny and monny contract hold out crap, the same coach, the same systems are in place, and i think that those systems and these players can win a lot of games next year.
and realistically that's all i'm asking for in 2017-2018, win a lot of games, become a team that contends for divisional crowns.
is next year our cup contention year? probably not, but win some games and be in the dance.
don't sign oshie or bring in nino, graduate jankowski and hathaway, that's how perennial favorites get things done.
let edmonton blow their brains out trying to find the 'missing piece'

[gunnner]

this board is loaded with short term thinkers. let the team show organic growth. Seemed to me like Johnny was a point game player when Ferland joined that line. Now everyone has Ferland on the 4th line next year. Frick, Backlund would have been sent packing to the KHL by 25 with the current mentality. Let the younger players play significant roles and improve, instead of signing TJ Oshie to a crimpling deal that may or may not make the team better, and could cost you a young player due to a future cap crunch.

[Toonage]

You can save a little money on that roster if you drop of one of the bottom forwards. Roster is at 24 instead of 23. Put the money towards upgrading the bottom D pairing. How much would Franson realistically cost?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Toonage

You can save a little money on that roster if you drop of one of the bottom forwards. Roster is at 24 instead of 23. Put the money towards upgrading the bottom D pairing. How much would Franson realistically cost?

We banned his cousin, I don't think he will want to come here.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by gunnner

this board is loaded with short term thinkers. let the team show organic growth. Seemed to me like Johnny was a point game player when Ferland joined that line. Now everyone has Ferland on the 4th line next year. Frick, Backlund would have been sent packing to the KHL by 25 with the current mentality. Let the younger players play significant roles and improve, instead of signing TJ Oshie to a crimpling deal that may or may not make the team better, and could cost you a young player due to a future cap crunch.

I agree big no to Oshie who will command a Lucic style extension to get signed and probably more from a Canadian team. The concern I have is patience is not something we can really have anymore. Most of our top players are on their big money deals. 3 years left and Brodie needs a deal, then Hamilton the next year, then Gaudreau, then Monahan (not to mention Bennett's long term deal post bridge and Tlachuks likely big deal out of entry level). It is going to be hard enough to keep the team together as is. They can't add a long term piece via free agency but also need to improve the team. There is a good chance the team improves next year all things being equal because they are not learning a new system and everyone is more comfortable. The young players on the roster can still get better as well but is that enough to really do damage?

Ferland has not proven even remotely that he is a first liner. A hot month with Johnny and Monahan was not sustained through the end of the season and playoffs. Stone looked good at first with Brodie but that pairing showed signs of slowing down as the season wore on. Elliott had a great run in the second half but melted down in the playoffs.

I personally do not think the Flames are good enough on the top line, second pairing, and starting goalie to be anymore than a first or second round playoff out. I hope Treliving is working on improving those areas as this team has the pieces beyond that to challenge for the division and conference with some tweaks

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by gunnner

this board is loaded with short term thinkers. let the team show organic growth. Seemed to me like Johnny was a point game player when Ferland joined that line. Now everyone has Ferland on the 4th line next year. Frick, Backlund would have been sent packing to the KHL by 25 with the current mentality. Let the younger players play significant roles and improve, instead of signing TJ Oshie to a crimpling deal that may or may not make the team better, and could cost you a young player due to a future cap crunch.

I was basically just messing around with another posters idea. Someone said it couldn't fit cap wise and I wanted to see if it could if Vegas did as was suggested and took Brouwer.

Very little outside movement with expected internal growth is most likely what we are going to get, especially with the forward group and I am fine with that. I've already said many times I don't think the Flames should spend big money on a 30+ year old UFA, especially a winger even if Brouwer gets taken.

However, if Tre put together a roster like that this off season I would just sit back and have fun watching it. Why give yourself an ulcer worrying about the future cap crunch? #### me that would be a fun team to watch if Grubauer was indeed the next Talbot/Jones.