2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Monahammer]

the 25 pick has more value because it is unknown, but it could be even worse than the 24 1st. It's unlikely that it will be substantially better. So why make it a crux for the trade to die on? Especially if there are players we like in the top 15 that we could potentially package two late 1sts to snag in this year's draft.

Necas, Orlov, even Kotka IMO you hold on to for now and trade later. The benefit here is that Carolina needs to make moves this offseason where we have no pressure to. We can keep them and sell them after they perform better. It's the same idea with Kuzmenko.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Necas
Orlov
Kotka
Canes 24 1st

for

Andersson
Mangiapane

I would be on board for this, for example.

I like my suggestion better, not sure I even want Kotkaniemi at this point.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Acquiring Necas isn't the end of the world. Sheesh.
In my opinion you have to still build a team around the kids and Necas in my mind replaces Mangiapane. And if they do acquire Necas it's Mang going the other way.

I don't believe Conroy is making a Necas trade spending his newly acquired draft capital unless it's a 3rd or something to balance out the deal.

Ppl need to step back off the ledge and judge the roster after its been made for the upcoming season.

You aren't getting Necas for Magiapane LOL.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

the 25 pick has more value because it is unknown, but it could be even worse than the 24 1st. It's unlikely that it will be substantially better. So why make it a crux for the trade to die on? Especially if there are players we like in the top 15 that we could potentially package two late 1sts to snag in this year's draft.

Necas, Orlov, even Kotka IMO you hold on to for now and trade later. The benefit here is that Carolina needs to make moves this offseason where we have no pressure to. We can keep them and sell them after they perform better. It's the same idea with Kuzmenko.

Carolina will be good next year so it makes sense to just go for the 24 pick.

Like you said, 24 and 28 gives us a trade up option. I like that idea if someone is slipping.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

the 25 pick has more value because it is unknown, but it could be even worse than the 24 1st. It's unlikely that it will be substantially better. So why make it a crux for the trade to die on? Especially if there are players we like in the top 15 that we could potentially package two late 1sts to snag in this year's draft.

Necas, Orlov, even Kotka IMO you hold on to for now and trade later. The benefit here is that Carolina needs to make moves this offseason where we have no pressure to. We can keep them and sell them after they perform better. It's the same idea with Kuzmenko.

Do you see Carolina being much better next season? They had a pretty big season, and have a huge hole in in net, and no real franchise altering players up front to help them get over being a team that is just in the mix.

Having some wildcard picks would be great, like the 26 Vegas pick.

I can see Carolina taking a step backwards next season.

Signing Necas to a 1 or 2 year deal and flipping him right away 50% retained for more picks would be great as well.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I like my suggestion better, not sure I even want Kotkaniemi at this point.

I found it funny that we posted basically the same trade at the same time.

I suppose mine has us taking on more salary than .5 mangiapane, but also the potential upside that Kotka could perform enough for us to get something meaningful for him later on in a trade.

FWIW I don't think your proposal gives the canes enough cap breathing room to be truly happy... but we are thinking on the same line!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

save your assets and sign Kuzmenko longterm. He is only 35 months older. He can be part of your "core" for the next 5 years. And he will likely cost less in terms of money. And he scores more.

Unless Kuzmenko suddenly learns that hockey is a 200 foot game, he shouldn't be considered part of any core.

Now, he may well be good entertainment value because he has very good offensive talent, but his contribution to a contending team would be very limited.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Do you see Carolina being much better next season? They had a pretty big season, and have a huge hole in in net, and no real franchise altering players up front to help them get over being a team that is just in the mix.

Having some wildcard picks would be great, like the 26 Vegas pick.

I can see Carolina taking a step backwards next season.

Signing Necas to a 1 or 2 year deal and flipping him right away 50% retained for more picks would be great as well.

If they keep Guentzel and have more luck with Andersen's health I think they will be very good again. If we give them Andersson I think that will also help them be good.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Unless Kuzmenko suddenly learns that hockey is a 200 foot game, he shouldn't be considered part of any core.

Now, he may well be good entertainment value because he has very good offensive talent, but his contribution to a contending team would be very limited.

I don't think he believes Kuzmenko is a core piece.

Kuzmenko and Necas will likely provide the same thing, 2 right shot wingers. Neither are a core piece on the time, they are just fillers are we build our team.

Necas will cost money and assets. Kuzmenko will just cost us money.

[Ashes]

I'd rather we trade our own guys like Mangiapane and Markstrom and get even more picks - load up on prospects at this draft and the next two. Once we have a better idea of where we are at with our home-grown elite talent (hopefully we have some of those pieces in the next 1-3 years with good drafting), then we can start adding those top notch complimentary pieces in trades and FA like Necas.

Also, if Markstrom is gone then we are very likely heading into a season where we will be worse than we were this season. Adding scoring to a rebuilding roster is just.. classic Flames. We should go into this season and let the kids take another step with more responsibility, use our extra cap space to sign 1-2 year deals and flip them at the deadline for picks, and use retention spots to take on contracts and get more picks and just load the F up on prospects with high-ceiling talent please for the love of god.

With that being said, I look forward to seeing the Flames taking a swing this summer to try to accelerate the rebuild as is Canadian Hockey Team tradition.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I found it funny that we posted basically the same trade at the same time.

I suppose mine has us taking on more salary than .5 mangiapane, but also the potential upside that Kotka could perform enough for us to get something meaningful for him later on in a trade.

FWIW I don't think your proposal gives the canes enough cap breathing room to be truly happy... but we are thinking on the same line!

I also think is what Carolina is trying to accomplish.

Make cap space to keep their players and get better at the same time. Necas on the move must have to do with difference in opinion on his value. We have short term value contracts that keeps their window open.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If they keep Guentzel and have more luck with Andersen's health I think they will be very good again. If we give them Andersson I think that will also help them be good.

They will be good, I just don't think they will be better or being a serious contender.

The east is packed with good teams, teams with stars. The Hurricanes are missing that piece to help them get over this hump.

You also never know, injuries, guys having down years things can happen.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Ashes

With that being said, I look forward to seeing the Flames taking a swing this summer to try to accelerate the rebuild as is Canadian Hockey Team tradition.

Weird to think we're only 4 weeks out from having a very good idea of what next season's team will look like.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They will be good, I just don't think they will be better or being a serious contender.

The east is packed with good teams, teams with stars. The Hurricanes are missing that piece to help them get over this hump.

You also never know, injuries, guys having down years things can happen.

Svech and Aho are those pieces. If Svech can play a whole season they will challenge for the president's trophy. They've had some bad injury luck the last couple of years.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

People throw out Necas for Mangiapane and 1st type offers. Not bad value but Carolina is an elite team trying to get better and sign their long list of free agents. They are in win now mode and unless they flip the 1st, why do they want Mangiapane and a late 1st? It hardly saves them cap to sign guys and they get worse.

Deangelo, Skeji and Pesce are free agents. Deangelo will be gone but what will it take to sign the other 2? More than Rasmus $4.5 mil I bet.

Mangiapane might make sense, 50% retained. They get a good depth guy for cheap for a year.

Orlov or Kotkaniemi are 2 contracts that probably could be moved, and they keep players and stay competitive.

Necas must be on the block due to high contract demands and Carolina must not feel he's worth it his ask.

Flames could make a move and really help the rebuild at the same time.

Necas, Orlov 1st 24

Mangiapane (50%) and Rasmus

Carolina saves a bunch of cap, re-signed TT, Jarvis, Guenztel, Skeji, Pesce

I really don't see Carolina wanting futures for Necas, would have to have a 3rd team involved if that is what they Flames are trading.

If the Flames proceed to flip Necas and Orlov that is a pretty good trade. Presumably they would flip Orlov at some point with retention. They would then only have one retention spot left for 24/25.

My only issue with Necas is that I don’t think the Flames are competitive again until 2028/2029. In my opinion they should be driving towards that window, what assets can they acquire that will be contributing in 4-5 years time? Acquiring and holding on to Necas so that Coronato is stuck on the 3rd or 4th line does not make a lot of sense to me, I would rather see what we have with Coronato.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Svech and Aho are those pieces. If Svech can play a whole season they will challenge for the president's trophy. They've had some bad injury luck the last couple of years.

Good players, but they don't scream stars to me. More like Hintz and Roberston in Dallas. They just don't take over games.

[Monahammer]

Just curious, but what would be the deciding factor that someone is a star for you? Are there only like 5 in the league?

Aho (and for that matter, Robertson) should definitely qualify. Pick any statistical threshold.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Just curious, but what would be the deciding factor that someone is a star for you? Are there only like 5 in the league?

Aho (and for that matter, Robertson) should definitely qualify. Pick any statistical threshold.

Robertson was noticeable in 1 game all playoffs long.

Stars are guys who can touch every aspect of the game, but ones you lean on when a game is 2-2 to take over and get you that goal.

It's easy to say Makar or Mackinnon, but a guy like Barkov hes carrying the Panthers. You notice him every shift.

Robertson and Aho are really good players, but they are quiet in the big moments.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the Flames proceed to flip Necas and Orlov that is a pretty good trade. Presumably they would flip Orlov at some point with retention. They would then only have one retention spot left for 24/25.

My only issue with Necas is that I don’t think the Flames are competitive again until 2028/2029. In my opinion they should be driving towards that window, what assets can they acquire that will be contributing in 4-5 years time? Acquiring and holding on to Necas so that Coronato is stuck on the 3rd or 4th line does not make a lot of sense to me, I would rather see what we have with Coronato.

Worry not, we can settle on Coronato being a 4th liner energy grinder and trade him and watch him score 30 goals and go to the cup finals.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What a cherry on top of this week would a trade for Necas would be as a Flames fan. This organization is just so shortsighted it absolutely bewilders me. The fact that the Flames are chasing Necas at all is concerning.

Be patient. Draft your core. Now is not the time to add a player who will be 26 halfway through the season and will be demanding market UFA rates.

That's a lot of condemnation based on a rumour that could easily be complete crap!

I think I'd be a basket case if I just reacted as if every rumour was gospel.