2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Niederreiter is a good target for sure, but I'm sure it would require young assets in return, or draft picks. Flames not exactly dealing from a position of strength.

The Flames have never been deeper in the last 20 years in terms of young NHLers, prospects and picks. How would it not be dealing from a position of strength?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

That makes some sense but when is this team ever going to develop a pipeline of young talent of theri own?

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Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Ferland, Brodie, Bouma, etc say hi

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

The Flames have never been deeper in the last 20 years in terms of young NHLers, prospects and picks. How would it not be dealing from a position of strength?

So what meaningful assets could the Flames give up in a trade and not create a large gap in the organization?

I don't see this rebuild as complete. There are good young players on the NHL roster which is great. But drafting and developing a pipeline of talent is still a work in progress and I would prefer that remain the priority.

[CliffFletcher]

The Flames can't keep trading away high picks. Successful teams have a steady stream of solid young players on the roster earning entry-level deals. You don't get that by routinely trading away 1st round picks for guys earning $4 mil.

[Flash Walken]

Saying the flames have the deepest prospect pool they've had in years is not an affirmation on the strength of the prospect pool relative to the rest of the league.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames can't keep trading away high picks. Successful teams have a steady stream of solid young players on the roster earning entry-level deals. You don't get that by routinely trading away 1st round picks for guys earning $4 mil.

Yeah, the Flames are still a team that's in the building stage. I don't think they are at a point where they can start to push the chips to the table and really go for it. They still need to show that they can make the playoffs in consecutive years, than show that they can be in the mix to grab one of the top seeds in the Conference.

Lot's of building to still left to do. They've already played a few chips this year to try and push things forward. I don't think they want to continue borrowing out of their future equity just yet.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames can't keep trading away high picks. Successful teams have a steady stream of solid young players on the roster earning entry-level deals. You don't get that by routinely trading away 1st round picks for guys earning $4 mil.

I agree but when you look at this organizations first round picks over the past few decades it's been abysmal outside of the top 10 picks of recent history and even in there you have they typical Flames 20-30 overall picks on Klimchuk and Poirier that appear to be role players at best if they make it into the NHL. It's basically Backlund, Monahan, Bennett, and Tkachuk and a barren wasteland. I'm skeptical that scouting and drafting has improved all that much as this team still isn't remotely close to drafting as well as teams like the Ducks, Jets, Capitals, Lightning, etc. If you can get a quality 24 year old player for a 16th overall pick in this draft I think you do it as he's at an age where he fits in with the core of the team.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

The Flames have never been deeper in the last 20 years in terms of young NHLers, prospects and picks. How would it not be dealing from a position of strength?

Yeah but that's not saying much.

That's like saying during the 2015-16 season where the Oilers finished second last place in the league, they're 70 points has never been so good in the past half a decade.

The Flames have been so terrible when it comes to drafting in the past 20 years. "Never been so deep" right now is like the expected pool for other teams.

[GoJetsGo]

Seems like what FDW was saying was pretty straight forward. Now might be a good opportunity to turn some unknown assets / picks into a known commodity to upgrade a position like top six RW etc.

The typical characters from the boo patrol then seemed to use it as an opportunity to focus in on and crap all over the team's drafting for the last 20 years, which really has no relevance on our current situation / needs or the proposal.

If we could flip a prospect and this year's first for a known young RW or goalie, you do it without hesitation.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

The typical characters from the boo patrol then seemed to use it as an opportunity to focus in on and crap all over the team's drafting for the last 20 years, which really has no relevance on our current situation / needs or the proposal.

But of course it's relevant. Don't you know that the object of having an NHL team is to accumulate as many picks and prospects as you possibly can? Playing hockey is an irrelevant distraction.

Ask any member of the armchair GM brigade.

[The Fonz]

Minnesota's window is now, and likely closing in 2 or 3 years. If they decide to trade Nino, you would have to think they'll demand someone back who can contribute today.

Starting next season...
Parise - 33
Koivu - 34
Pominville - 35
Staal - 33
Suter - 32

[Roof-Daddy]

I long for a day when the Flames draft like Anaheim for instance.

Flames haven't drafted and developed an NHL goalie in like 30 years, Anaheim did it twice in the last 6 years and ended up trading one of them for 1st and 2nd round picks while the other is just 23 years old and back stopped them to a 5th straight division title and has them in round 3 of the playoffs.

Flames drafted Brodie 9 years ago. In that same time they've drafted Jake Gardiner, Justin Schultz, Cam Fowler, Josh Manson, Shea Theodore, Sami Vatanen, Hampus Lindholm and Brandon Montour. They also have Megna, Pettersson, Larsson, Mahura and Thompson in the pipeline.

Makes you shake your head.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Seems like what FDW was saying was pretty straight forward. Now might be a good opportunity to turn some unknown assets / picks into a known commodity to upgrade a position like top six RW etc.

The typical characters from the boo patrol then seemed to use it as an opportunity to focus in on and crap all over the team's drafting for the last 20 years, which really has no relevance on our current situation / needs or the proposal.

If we could flip a prospect and this year's first for a known young RW or goalie, you do it without hesitation.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

WTF, stirring the pot by saying Trotz is better then Gully?

Jesus guy, relax.

Who you calling guy, pal?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I long for a day when the Flames draft like Anaheim for instance.

Flames haven't drafted and developed an NHL goalie in like 30 years, Anaheim did it twice in the last 6 years and ended up trading one of them for 1st and 2nd round picks while the other is just 23 years old and back stopped them to a 5th straight division title and has them in round 3 of the playoffs.

Flames drafted Brodie 9 years ago. In that same time they've drafted Jake Gardiner, Justin Schultz, Cam Fowler, Josh Manson, Shea Theodore, Sami Vatanen, Hampus Lindholm and Brandon Montour. They also have Megna, Pettersson, Larsson, Mahura and Thompson in the pipeline.

Makes you shake your head.

I think Murray is a really good GM but they must have some outstanding scouts unearthing all those players. I'm surprised you don't hear more about teams poaching amateur scouts from other teams.

[SofaProfessor]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I long for a day when the Flames draft like Anaheim for instance.

Flames haven't drafted and developed an NHL goalie in like 30 years, Anaheim did it twice in the last 6 years and ended up trading one of them for 1st and 2nd round picks while the other is just 23 years old and back stopped them to a 5th straight division title and has them in round 3 of the playoffs.

Flames drafted Brodie 9 years ago. In that same time they've drafted Jake Gardiner, Justin Schultz, Cam Fowler, Josh Manson, Shea Theodore, Sami Vatanen, Hampus Lindholm and Brandon Montour. They also have Megna, Pettersson, Larsson, Mahura and Thompson in the pipeline.

Makes you shake your head.

Also makes you wonder if there's something in their development process that's making it easier for some of these guys to make that next big step. As Edmonton has shown up until McDavid; drafting is only half of the equation.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

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Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Ferland, Brodie, Bouma, etc say hi

There is no ETC. That is it.

And 3 of those guys are top 5 picks. Don't really count.

In the past decade (and We'll include Back's) the flames have drafter and developed

Brodie
Gaudreau
Ferland
Bouma
Backland

Over a decade that is not a good drafting record. Sure the last few year are still TBD, but it was a terrible decade. The only teams worst/as bad were Edmonton and Vancouver. There's a reason all 3 franchises have had issues

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I agree but when you look at this organizations first round picks over the past few decades it's been abysmal outside of the top 10 picks of recent history and even in there you have they typical Flames 20-30 overall picks on Klimchuk and Poirier that appear to be role players at best if they make it into the NHL. It's basically Backlund, Monahan, Bennett, and Tkachuk and a barren wasteland. I'm skeptical that scouting and drafting has improved all that much as this team still isn't remotely close to drafting as well as teams like the Ducks, Jets, Capitals, Lightning, etc.

If the Flames haven't got drafting and development figured out by now, no amount of trades of UFA signings will make them a contender.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Minnesota's window is now, and likely closing in 2 or 3 years. If they decide to trade Nino, you would have to think they'll demand someone back who can contribute today.

Starting next season...
Parise - 33
Koivu - 34
Pominville - 35
Staal - 33
Suter - 32

How did those guys get that old already?!? Dear God I'm ancient.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

There is no ETC. That is it.

And 3 of those guys are top 5 picks. Don't really count.

In the past decade (and We'll include Back's) the flames have drafter and developed

Brodie
Gaudreau
Ferland
Bouma
Backland

Over a decade that is not a good drafting record. Sure the last few year are still TBD, but it was a terrible decade. The only teams worst/as bad were Edmonton and Vancouver. There's a reason all 3 franchises have had issues

If we are going back a decade, do the flames get some credit for developing Gio?

I do think the was a complete shift in the organization in recent years and we are just seeing some of the fruits from all the changes that were made. I think patience is the key with the new crop as you can see some potential in the kids coming up. For the same reason you dismiss the Monahan, Bennett, and Tkachuck for being top ten picks, you need to be patient with the later picks. There is a reason they were drafted in the later rounds. Some players just need time.