2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You trade for Necas because he becomes part of the core of your team

This is the most depressing timeline ever. Trading for some secondary piece who just came off probably the highest points he will ever have in his career and make him part of the core would be awful. Lmao.

Yeah, we will never win with this ownership group. This is such a Flames thing to do. To even be exploring this crap.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Dude, what?

Read your own list. It is not out of character at all, it's the exact type of trade he has made so far and player he has targeted. Further, he said publicly he was looking for pretty much exactly this player only a month ago.

Now, if he traded away our 1sts to get this, that's probably out of whack. But, that's not what anyone seems to be proposing. IMO it's Rasmus and it could make sense.

Other than the Toffoli trade he has not had a single trade where the centerpiece coming back has been a player 25 or older. The centerpieces of the Lindholm and Hanifin deals were the firsts (and prospects in the Lindholm deal), picks and prospects in the Tanev deal, and picks in the Zadorov deal. If he makes a deal where he trades a significant asset and picks/prospects are not the main pieces coming back I would be surprised.

[Bingo Jr.]

As long as we don't give up draft capital and Carolina does indeed want a hockey trade, I can live with it.

Still makes zero sense though.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This is the most depressing timeline ever. Trading for some secondary piece who just came off probably the highest points he will ever have in his career and make him part of the core would be awful. Lmao.

Yeah, we will never win with this ownership group. This is such a Flames thing to do. To even be exploring this crap.

Acquiring Necas isn't the end of the world. Sheesh.
In my opinion you have to still build a team around the kids and Necas in my mind replaces Mangiapane. And if they do acquire Necas it's Mang going the other way.

I don't believe Conroy is making a Necas trade spending his newly acquired draft capital unless it's a 3rd or something to balance out the deal.

Ppl need to step back off the ledge and judge the roster after its been made for the upcoming season.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm not the biggest Necas fan but comparing him to Stempniak or Glencross is laughable.

He's a former 12th overall who has a 71 point season under his belt.

Stempniak led this team in scoring, lest you forget. And 71 points now is closer to what 50 points was 10 years ago.

Necas is unlikely to be part of the solution here. They'd be trading for him to either trade him again in three years or lose him for nothing when he declines.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Stempniak led this team in scoring, lest you forget. And 71 points now is closer to what 50 points was 10 years ago.

Necas is unlikely to be part of the solution here. They'd be trading for him to either trade him again in three years or lose him for nothing when he declines.

The two players/their situations just aren't comparable.

Lee had his big season as a 30+ year old on a rebuilding team that had no one else offensively. Necas has been buried in Carolina and did it at a much younger age, which indicates that he very likely repeats that feat, especially with more opportunities given.

This isn't trading for Stempniak.

Sometimes your takes are a little out there.. which is usually fine, but occasionally you stick with them past the point of reason.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Acquiring Necas isn't the end of the world. Sheesh.
In my opinion you have to still build a team around the kids and Necas in my mind replaces Mangiapane. And if they do acquire Necas it's Mang going the other way.

I don't believe Conroy is making a Necas trade spending his newly acquired draft capital unless it's a 3rd or something to balance out the deal.

Ppl need to step back off the ledge and judge the roster after its been made for the upcoming season.

So you would trade pick 9 for him? Insane.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The two players/their situations just aren't comparable.

Lee had his big season as a 30+ year old on a rebuilding team that had no one else offensively. Necas has been buried in Carolina and did it at a much younger age, which indicates that he very likely repeats that feat, especially with more opportunities given.

This isn't trading for Stempniak.

Sometimes your takes are a little out there.. which is usually fine, but occasionally you stick with them past the point of reason.

I'm not making a direct comparison between the two players here, just the situations. Moreso just saying that they are unlikely to be relevant in any way throughout a four/five-year Necas tenure, similar to how they were completely irrelevant throughout Stempniak's three years.

My point is that if the Flames are looking for players to fill out their roster during transitional/lean years, they should want no part of hot commodities like Necas who will cost an arm and a leg. They should be going after cheaper UFAs on mid-range deals or, better yet, being paid to take on other teams' problems. Necas is the kind of guy you get to supplement your core, but it is a complete non-sequitur for the Flames to target him when they don't have a core at all.

[Niemo]

I would take on Orlov and Kotkiniemi dump deals with Necas and give them Rasmus +++ if we can somehow get Nikishin.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Acquiring Necas isn't the end of the world. Sheesh.
In my opinion you have to still build a team around the kids and Necas in my mind replaces Mangiapane. And if they do acquire Necas it's Mang going the other way.

I don't believe Conroy is making a Necas trade spending his newly acquired draft capital unless it's a 3rd or something to balance out the deal.

Ppl need to step back off the ledge and judge the roster after its been made for the upcoming season.

Putting the cart before the horse I think.

You need the kids to build around first.

Zary, pelletier and coronato are trending to be good players, but they're most likely not going to be competiting with the Barkos, mcDavids, Draisaitls, chuckys, etc... that top end teams have.

We need to find a couple of these guys first.

[TheScorpion]

Orlov would be an excellent target from Carolina, fully agree there. Get paid to take him (or take him for free), and then try to flip him with retention at the TDL.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

So you would trade pick 9 for him? Insane.

Where did I say that.. do you see where I said that?? What are you talking about??

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Where did I say that.. do you see where I said that?? What are you talking about??

Is that not what Seravelli was alluding to? That he is worth a mid round 1st pick and Flames have the asset.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by traptor

Putting the cart before the horse I think.

You need the kids to build around first.

Zary, pelletier and coronato are trending to be good players, but they're most likely not going to be competiting with the Barkos, mcDavids, Draisaitls, chuckys, etc... that top end teams have.

We need to find a couple of these guys first.

There are scenarios where you trade for Necas and get these types of players. I don't believe that is what is happening here, but we do not have any rumors that say what is going back from the Flames at this point.

I just don't see Rasmus being in the deal or Weegar. But if it is those types of players, we can get our top 3 pick and make this deal.

Carolina needs cap, we got it. They are an elite team too. We are good trade partners.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Is that not what Seravelli was alluding to? That he is worth a mid round 1st pick and Flames have the asset.

I don't know what serivalli said prior to whatever came out today.

I do know other reporters have stated that Carolina is not looking for futures. They want roster players. So if the Flames land Necas in a hockey trade, there's no issues here from a rebuild perspective.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Orlov would be an excellent target from Carolina, fully agree there. Get paid to take him (or take him for free), and then try to flip him with retention at the TDL.

I would be fine to take Orlov and Kotkaniemi from Carolina with a sweetener attached.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I personally think that Conroy will continue to do what he has done so far and make trades that look an awful lot like rebuilding trades. So far he has moved out 5 assets and brought in

- a 28 year old forward
- a 26 year old dman
- a 25 year old forward
- a 22 year old forward
- a 21 year old dman
- a 19 year old dman
- two first round picks
- a 2nd round pick
- three 3rd round picks
- a 4th round pick
- a 5th round pick

It would be significantly out of character for him to make a trade where he is not bringing in picks/prospects but instead brings in only a 25 year old asset.

Yeah every trade he has made is a rebuilding trade. I am not sure why people can't see that. All those roster players for the most part are plug and play guys to ice a hockey team. We don't have the prospect depth at the moment to call guys up.

But apparently I don't have hockey knowledge, and we are gunning for the playoffs next year.

50 point RW Martin Necas is about to turn the fortunes of our organization.

[Monahammer]

Necas
Orlov
Kotka
Canes 24 1st

for

Andersson
Mangiapane

I would be on board for this, for example.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Necas
Orlov
Kotka
Canes 24 1st

for

Andersson
Mangiapane

I would be on board for this, for example.

Make that 2025 1st, and flip Necas for more picks. Maybe reroute him to Vancouver for a 2025 1st and more.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't know what serivalli said prior to whatever came out today.

I do know other reporters have stated that Carolina is not looking for futures. They want roster players. So if the Flames land Necas in a hockey trade, there's no issues here from a rebuild perspective.

People throw out Necas for Mangiapane and 1st type offers. Not bad value but Carolina is an elite team trying to get better and sign their long list of free agents. They are in win now mode and unless they flip the 1st, why do they want Mangiapane and a late 1st? It hardly saves them cap to sign guys and they get worse.

Deangelo, Skeji and Pesce are free agents. Deangelo will be gone but what will it take to sign the other 2? More than Rasmus $4.5 mil I bet.

Mangiapane might make sense, 50% retained. They get a good depth guy for cheap for a year.

Orlov or Kotkaniemi are 2 contracts that probably could be moved, and they keep players and stay competitive.

Necas must be on the block due to high contract demands and Carolina must not feel he's worth it his ask.

Flames could make a move and really help the rebuild at the same time.

Necas, Orlov 1st 24

Mangiapane (50%) and Rasmus

Carolina saves a bunch of cap, re-signed TT, Jarvis, Guenztel, Skeji, Pesce

I really don't see Carolina wanting futures for Necas, would have to have a 3rd team involved if that is what they Flames are trading.