The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Low risk signing is a term that gets used a lot. That is fine and all, but if the end result is a bunch of poor quality players in your lineup then I’m not a fan.

The low risk signings/trades of Jagr, Glass, Stewart, Shore and Lack this year all look to be less than successful.

Shore looks to be a quality replacement for Stajan next year. I have no issue with that move.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The Flames weren't interested in Jagr in the summer either, Pointman, so that's not an argument in your favour. Also, the Blues' interest was far more than just "exploring all options". They offered Jagr a contract. Which he rejected in favour of Calgary. The point is: argue that Jagr didn't work. That's true. Argue that other low-end signings haven't worked. That's true. But don't manufacture claims that are patently untrue. It only undermines your arguments.

"manufacturing claims that are patently untrue" is an overstatement. I said, that Treliving was the only GM in the league, who couldn't see that Jagr was done and it reaffirms Treliving's lack of evaluation skills. Apparently, there was a Blues GM, who also wanted Jagr after the sudden and abrupt loss of Fabbri near the end of the training camp. While such correction does picture a more accurate flow of events, it neither defeats the initial point nor makes my initial post all that "false".

[zamler]

Jagr was one of the highlight of the season for me. Also his numbers were decent IIRC at the time he got injured Jagr was putting up better numbers than Brouwer.

[midniteowl]

Why are we arguing Treliving's worth in a Glen Gulutzan's thread? Is there a Treliving threat?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Yes. Back to ol’ Gul.

I don’t think I have ever seen a goalie pulled with 6 minutes left.

I guess with 6 min left down by 3, you are desperate enough to try.

Even though it worked for a goal, to me once it is a 2 goal game, you wait until about 2 min. You really can’t expect the other team to not get a single shot for the remaining 5 minutes.

[Vinny01]

Read some articles that Quenville could very well be let go at the end of the year.

The Flames likely missing the playoffs could allow them to ounce early if thst does happen.

It didn’t work with the young coach getting a second chance so hopefully they pony up for the legendary coach. Likely going to take 5-8 years at 5+ million.

[Toonage]

Coach Q makes $6M now. If he ends up anywhere other than Chicago it will be at well north of that $6M

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Coach Q makes $6M now. If he ends up anywhere other than Chicago it will be at well north of that $6M

with at least a 4 year term.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by hurtin_albertan

I could absolutely not believe when Smith came out to start the third last night. It’s obviously not Gully’s fault that his goalie had a bad night but it’s his responsibility to make the change.

If he goes into the dressing room right away and tells the boys there’s a goalie change rest of the way, it gives Rittich 20 minutes to get prepared and possibly changes the psyche of the players that the guy who has been struggling with every muffin is getting the rest of the night off. At that point the game was still salvageable.

Instead he does nothing, as per usual, Smith gives up another right off the bat, and the game is all but lost. It’s just amazing how oblivious the man seems to be.

Remember that time in the playoffs when our goalie was routinely playing like hot garbage? And Gully trotted him out anyways? And then when it was 'Do or Die' time he (predictably) played like crap and let in a muffin from behind the goal line and then Ol' Gul gave him the Vaudevillian hook?

Seem familiar at all?

I seem to say that a lot about Ol' Gul, he seems to make a lot of the same mistakes repeatedly. Its like his routine.

Ol' Gul is completely clueless until the clues hit him in the face. Over and over again. And then again.

I think thats it. Hes like Wile E. Coyote. The guy who tries hitting the brakes after hes already gone over the edge of the cliff.

[Toonage]

Re Q: He'll want and probably get more than what Mike Babcock got which was around $6.25M for 8 years.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Coach Q makes $6M now. If he ends up anywhere other than Chicago it will be at well north of that $6M

Maybe closer to the $8M that Babcock makes?

Not sure the Flames would do thst but here is hoping

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Shore looks to be a quality replacement for Stajan next year. I have no issue with that move.

I hope you’re right. Right now he’s having a hard time cracking a rather pedestrian lineup.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Coach Q makes $6M now. If he ends up anywhere other than Chicago it will be at well north of that $6M

Playoff revenue will offset that easily. If he can get us futher than GG its money well spent.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Playoff revenue will offset that easily. If he can get us futher than GG its money well spent.

Absolutely. Not my money and I won't pretend to know what they can spend but if you can you throw 10x10 at him and never look back.

[sa226]

Yeah, as long as he doesn't count against the cap who the eff cares? Pay him 15million for all I care.

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[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I hope you’re right. Right now he’s having a hard time cracking a rather pedestrian lineup.

Is that based on skill or based on yet another bad GG decision?

That’s why GG needed to be fired before XMas. Not only to potentially save the season, but so the team could get a better read on the players they have.

It would suck to sell low on players like Brodie and Bennett if the real source of their struggles is misuse by the coaching staff.

[Ashasx]

Would Q choose Calgary over Edmonton?

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Would Q choose Calgary over Edmonton?

Any sane person would, so I’ll say yes. That goes for anyone in any walk of life.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Would Q choose Calgary over Edmonton?

I think Paul Coffey knows a thing or two about winning if there is ever a question about that...

[drewtastic]

Been following this thread & I can’t say that I’m either a GG detractor or a GG booster, but I am definitely frustrated with the coaching carousel that has been this team’s M.O. since the early ‘90s (its been 13 coaches in 28 years! -not counting Al MacNeil’s brief interlude-14 with that.)

I guess I agree most with posters who say that if GG is fired, then the Flames better damn well make sure they get the right guy. Another HC change with potentially another “system” for players to learn is an exhausting prospect to consider as a fan—I can’t imagine what that’d be like as a player (although as an employee who once endured 5 admin changes in 12 years, I have some idea of the level of disruption...)

And while I agree that the Treliving discussion is slightly off topic, I think GG’s tenure must also be assessed with respect to the players he’s been given. Sure, there are valid arguments about their deployment and development under GG’s watch, but I don’t think he can be blamed for things like how tender-soft these guys are overall, especially in their own zone and in front of their own net. There are only a few guys on this roster who can find that next level of “compete”, and amongst those who can’t, I’m not sure if coaching can instill such instinct. Maybe it can...

As an aside, I made a new rule for myself after January: if the game is boring or repetitive (no matter how well the flames are playing) after the first period, I find other things to do. This is the first time in my entire Flames fan tenure (~35 years) that I’ve been so “meh” about the team (including the young guns era). I turned it off immediately after the botched 5 on 3 because I’ve seen that movie too many damned times this season. Was not surprised to see the final boxscore this morning.