Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by really?

Particularly if the team signing and trading the player takes some salary in return allowing a cap stressed team to add the player. This would have the potential to increase the base of teams to which the player could be traded, and could be attractive to someone in Gaudreau's position if the Flames were able to help facilitate movement to a team that otherwise might not be a player for his services because of cap constraints.

Of course, any team that takes on bad salary will get something for doing so, whether it's just a straight trade or a sign and trade.

It would also presumably mean that Calgary is going into full rebuild mode, as they have cap issues as it is.

[bubbsy]

Hoping he signs. If he doesn't, however, I think the only option is a rebuild. They still have a good team and players at other positions, but Gaudreau was the key driver of the entire offense. No disrespect to Lindholm and tkachuk, but gaudreau contributed on almost everything the top line generated.

He has been able to generate elite numbers for basically any linemates he's had (monahan, hudler, ferland). He's the most irreplaceable player on the team (a player that can generate offensive on his own). You can't replace that via trade or free agency.

As such, if he doesn't sign, flames really should be honest about the situation they are in and try to sell high on some big pieces that may not be in their prime by the time the team is contending.

[dissentowner]

Look at what the Flames media pages have been posting lately and follow the clues. I fully expect long term deals announced in the next few weeks for both Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Look at what the Flames media pages have been posting lately and follow the clues. I fully expect long term deals announced in the next few weeks for both Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

What specifically are you seeing?

Not sure I've seen anything that hints one way or the other.

[Toonage]

Lots of tweets/posts specifically about Gaudreau & Tkachuk I assume?

Today was the anniversary of drafting Tkachuk so he's been in their feeds a bunch obviously.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Look at what the Flames media pages have been posting lately and follow the clues. I fully expect long term deals announced in the next few weeks for both Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

I doubt Flames media have any knowledge of the negotiations going in behind the scenes, nor would anyone disclose that to them to create fake hype.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Look at what the Flames media pages have been posting lately and follow the clues. I fully expect long term deals announced in the next few weeks for both Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

They posted a video about Bennett the morning that he got traded, in case you're looking for a recent example where they've either employed straight misdirection, or more likely, been shown to be completely, totally unaware of the actual player management (as they likely should be.)

[Monahammer]

Froggy, out of curiosity what is your endgame here? You've staked an awful lot on the guarantee that Johnny resigns. What if he doesn't?

We've been having this conversation for years at this point. Leave yourself some breathing room lol

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by mdubz

I doubt Flames media have any knowledge of the negotiations going in behind the scenes, nor would anyone disclose that to them to create fake hype.

Yes, I am sure the Calgary Flames media team has no communications with the rest of the organization at all.
Time will tell won't it.

[Toonage]

Not to that extent, no.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Froggy, out of curiosity what is your endgame here? You've staked an awful lot on the guarantee that Johnny resigns. What if he doesn't?

We've been having this conversation for years at this point. Leave yourself some breathing room lol

My endgame is that everything points to Gaudreau signing here yet people like to focus on him leaving because for some reason I can't comprehend many of our fanbase on here seem to feed off things going wrong. This team is not going to let their franchise winger walk. I like to focus on the best case scenarios.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Not to that extent, no.

So if the team has the agreements in place already hit are waiting for the SCF to end before holding a press conference you don't think they would drive up some hype by posting videos of those players before the cats out of the bag? I think they would.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

My endgame is that everything points to Gaudreau signing here yet people like to focus on him leaving because for some reason I can't comprehend many of our fanbase on here seem to feed off things going wrong. This team is not going to let their franchise winger walk. I like to focus on the best case scenarios.

I agree with you that the team will do everything in its power to achieve Johnny staying. But that's only half the battle.

And you aren't focusing on the "best case scenario". You've basically guaranteed it and called anyone out who suggests any other possibility.

The rest of us basically saying we don't know what will happen and acknowledge anything might and can happen.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

My endgame is that everything points to Gaudreau signing here yet people like to focus on him leaving because for some reason I can't comprehend many of our fanbase on here seem to feed off things going wrong. This team is not going to let their franchise winger walk. I like to focus on the best case scenarios.

But it's not up to the team.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So if the team has the agreements in place already hit are waiting for the SCF to end before holding a press conference you don't think they would drive up some hype by posting videos of those players before the cats out of the bag? I think they would.

Why would this need hype?

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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I agree with you that the team will do everything in its power to achieve Johnny staying. But that's only half the battle.

And you aren't focusing on the "best case scenario". You've basically guaranteed it and called anyone out who suggests any other possibility.

The rest of us basically saying we don't know what will happen and acknowledge anything might and can happen.

No, the rest of you are saying he is leaving, or he wants to go East, or he was just lip servicing the fan base when he said he wants to stay. I didn't "guarantee" anything, I said he isn't going anywhere because I believe that and I get dogpiled on. Other posters have literally posted things like he is leaving or he is gone and nobody says squat about those posts. Being a fan is supposed to be a positive thing, but not on here apparently. I gave my reasons why I think he will stay and all I got was some troll calling me a "basketcase" which apparently is quite ok. So F it, I will just shut up with my thoughts and my optimism because apparently that is not welcome here.

[Vinny01]

I agree with those who say if Johnny walks the best course of action is a rebuild but I think the fact this team has Sutter here to win make that as big of a pipe dream as last offseason.

Johnny is the key to it all. If he stays ideally they proceed to move heaven and earth to fit him and Tkachuk together long term. Keeping Mangiapane might be tough but they could recoup a 1st+ for him. Even if Johnny stays and they can’t keep Tkachuk they can recoup high end pieces for Chucky, sign Mangiapane long term and maybe take a half step back before moving forward with more flexibility, and young high end talent they acquire for Tkachuk.

What I can’t really see is Johnny walking for nothing, signing Tkachuk and Mangiapane and remaining a highly competitive team. I feel like that team would possibly compete for a playoff spot with a reasonable top 6 with Mangiapane taking the top line LW spot and Toffoli moving up to the second line but there is a notable long term step back there in my opinion.

We still have 2.5 weeks until free agency and if Johnny signs I think it will be after the final has been completed. I think he stays but we can’t be 100% certain until it happens. Of all the free agents Johnny is the key to remaining a competitive team worthy of our HOF coach.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Of course, any team that takes on bad salary will get something for doing so, whether it's just a straight trade or a sign and trade.

It would also presumably mean that Calgary is going into full rebuild mode, as they have cap issues as it is.

It doesn't even necessarily have to be a bad salary going the other way, but could simply be a player who is becoming redundant on the new team and would patch the hole left by the exiting player.

When Flames got Bouw it was for a 3rd + Leopold's UFA rights, who FLA ended up signing (on/after July 1 IIRC), as he helped fill that gap.

An example with NJD might be Tatar - undersized offensive winger with a fair 1x4.5M left; wouldn't fit as well on NJD if they added Johnny, but the expiring term might make him a preferable stopgap (compared to giving more term to a UFA) for a team in transition, with potential to flip at TDL.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes, I am sure the Calgary Flames media team has no communications with the rest of the organization at all.
Time will tell won't it.

I doubt the media team has the slightest hint regarding ongoing contract negotiations.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree with those who say if Johnny walks the best course of action is a rebuild but I think the fact this team has Sutter here to win make that as big of a pipe dream as last offseason.

Johnny is the key to it all. If he stays ideally they proceed to move heaven and earth to fit him and Tkachuk together long term. Keeping Mangiapane might be tough but they could recoup a 1st+ for him. Even if Johnny stays and they can’t keep Tkachuk they can recoup high end pieces for Chucky, sign Mangiapane long term and maybe take a half step back before moving forward with more flexibility, and young high end talent they acquire for Tkachuk.

What I can’t really see is Johnny walking for nothing, signing Tkachuk and Mangiapane and remaining a highly competitive team. I feel like that team would possibly compete for a playoff spot with a reasonable top 6 with Mangiapane taking the top line LW spot and Toffoli moving up to the second line but there is a notable long term step back there in my opinion.

We still have 2.5 weeks until free agency and if Johnny signs I think it will be after the final has been completed. I think he stays but we can’t be 100% certain until it happens. Of all the free agents Johnny is the key to remaining a competitive team worthy of our HOF coach.

TLDR: Our offence sucks without Johnny. Anyone who disagrees with that statement, doesn't know much about the Flames.