Star Trek General Discussion

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Look Eve Harlow is a really good actress, but somehow they've just made her more annoying as a villain then anything else.

It was amazing how committed she was to resurrecting her lover. She would do anything.

Until she she was told by Michael it couldn't be done, which she immediately believed, and then never mentioned again, and seemed super fine with.

It was just so... lazy...

[Monahammer]

So, did they show us what's under the helmet?

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

So, did they show us what's under the helmet?

Yes. Nothing special.

Spoiler!

Bald green generic aliens. They sort of initially look crystaline, but then just look rubber.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Yes. Nothing special.

Spoiler!

Bald green generic aliens. They sort of initially look crystaline, but then just look rubber.

These writers know literally nothing about mystery or how to evoke emotion without showing someone dying or crying. I was joking I didn't think they'd actually show. And to make it something so dumb...

[Canadianman]

I kept watching until the end, but mostly just to make sure it was dead.


What a brutal ending. Chasing a Macguffin all season, only for it to not even be used for anything just so they could add ethical wunderkin to Burnham's already-extensive CV.


Good riddance.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

I kept watching until the end, but mostly just to make sure it was dead.


What a brutal ending. Chasing a Macguffin all season, only for it to not even be used for anything just so they could add ethical wunderkin to Burnham's already-extensive CV.


Good riddance.

I have no idea what most of this means, but I love the concept of watching a show to completion just to make sure its over.

It has a real "Ivan Drago: I must break you" feel to it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

I have no idea what most of this means, but I love the concept of watching a show to completion just to make sure its over.

It has a real "Ivan Drago: I must break you" feel to it.

I'm planning on finishing the grim march to the end tonight, and taking pleasure in hitting the delete button.


This show just never got off to a good start. I mean as much as Green is actually a really solid actor, the writing just made her annoying and overwhelming.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

I kept watching until the end, but mostly just to make sure it was dead.


What a brutal ending. Chasing a Macguffin all season, only for it to not even be used for anything just so they could add ethical wunderkin to Burnham's already-extensive CV.


Good riddance.

"You are dead! Stay dead!!"

[Yeah_Baby]

The thing with the Breen reminds of the thing with the Klingons in ENT. Just because you could give an answer to a thing, does not mean you should. Or that it's good.

[Sr. Mints]

I can't even remember where I bailed on Discovery, but whenever the urge to try and go back to this show starts to creep up, I read a few posts here and am talked down from that cliff.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

I can't even remember where I bailed on Discovery, but whenever the urge to try and go back to this show starts to creep up, I read a few posts here and am talked down from that cliff.

I remember, it was season 3, second-to-last episode. When I couldn't even be bothered to watch the season finale I knew I was done.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The thing with the Breen reminds of the thing with the Klingons in ENT. Just because you could give an answer to a thing, does not mean you should. Or that it's good.

At least the Klingons made some canonical sense... it was weird and dumb but there was at least SOME explanation.

Why would they make the Breen just another Sheliak but in suits?

Or vaguely Tholian without the extra limbs I guess.

Just a waste of a perfectly good enemy species.

[Monahammer]

I do not have the urge at all to watch more discovery. I forced myself to watch the first season... couldn't grit through the second but tried again when they time jumped. I think I lasted 2 episodes of that and then have never had the urge again.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

At least the Klingons made some canonical sense... it was weird and dumb but there was at least SOME explanation.

Why would they make the Breen just another Sheliak but in suits?

Or vaguely Tholian without the extra limbs I guess.

Just a waste of a perfectly good enemy species.

Star Trek seems so determined to go granular with its lore, and it really effects how you perceive things, and at some point absolutely wrecks it

Look at the Borg, they were terrifying in STNG. They were a hive mind cybernetic race that were slowly assimilating alien races. They were without malice, relentless, because of their combination of technology nearly unbeatable. They were beaten because frankly the NG crew planted a sleep virus in its network. this is the perfect villain to me, there's mystery to it, and its an entirely different content.

Them . . . they introduce the queen, who becomes the ultimate individual, when she's not slupping Data, she's acting as an individual ruler. Sure, fine its like a bee colony where every drone serves the queen. But then Data and Picard murder her, all the borg blow up. So much for adapting. So much for the hive mind.

Then Voyager makes it worse, there are multiple queens. Drones aren't really drones, they're suppressed individuals. We lose the terrifying hive mind concept, and the queens become petty vengeance based individuals.

The Klingons an awesome warrior race, They live to fight and they live to die an Honorable death. And they really built on that through Deep Space 9 where the Klingons became the stars. When Worf is asked about the non bumpy headed Klingons, he responds they don't talk about it.

Then in enterprise they go into great detail explaining it. then Discovery goes in and decides to reinvent the whole race, ship design, graveyard ships, the look etc. Then in a panic in the end, they try to align them back to the Klingons of old, then they go Oh Frack, lets never mention them ever again.

The Breen were a side villain, they didn't need an explanation, beyond they were brutally militant, they had energy dampening weapons, and they wore the suits because they came from a harsh cold environment, and nobody had seen their face. So they then strip the mystery by showing their faces. Also clearly thy don't need the enviro suits and can survive just fine in normal temperatures.

And wait, here's where I went WTF, they wear their suits on their own ship, because their ships are heated to support human life.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

And wait, here's where I went WTF, they wear their suits on their own ship, because their ships are heated to support human life.

Here it is, right here. It's human irredentism in the star trek universe. How could a race both be entirely opposed to the idea of corporeal life yet have their ships be suitable specifically for that life?

Humans used to be mid tier power at best through TNG. DS9, the best star trek show, elevated them to the political masters of the alpha quadrant, but still relatively weak (hell, earth was attacked multiple times!)

Now, humans (and Michael in particular) are unbelievable badasses. Impossible to kill, overcome anything. All other races kneel before our splendor.

####in' yuck.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The Breen were a side villain, they didn't need an explanation, beyond they were brutally militant, they had energy dampening weapons, and they wore the suits because they came from a harsh cold environment, and nobody had seen their face. So they then strip the mystery by showing their faces. Also clearly thy don't need the enviro suits and can survive just fine in normal temperatures.

They don't though.
I'm pretty sure I remember an episode of DSN where Weyoun, says something about their planet actually being quite temperate, and he doesn't know why they wear the suits.

[Locke]

Shaka...when Discovery became Undiscovered!

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

They don't though.
I'm pretty sure I remember an episode of DSN where Weyoun, says something about their planet actually being quite temperate, and he doesn't know why they wear the suits.

From MA:

However, while the intelligence reports available to Cardassian and Dominion leaders during the Dominion War reported their homeworld to be a frozen wasteland, Weyoun remarked (in his capacity as a diplomat) that the planet was really "quite comfortable."

Of course, you should never trust anything a Weyoun says.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Shazam

From MA:

Of course, you should never trust anything a Weyoun says.

Yeah, but Cardassians like it pretty warm.
They have a skewed idea of what Frozen Wasteland means.
They don't open patios on Cardassia Prime unless its 35 degrees outside.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Canadianman

I kept watching until the end, but mostly just to make sure it was dead.


What a brutal ending. Chasing a Macguffin all season, only for it to not even be used for anything just so they could add ethical wunderkin to Burnham's already-extensive CV.


Good riddance.

Now that I think about it, I think my Wife did this with 'Lost.'

"I just have to be sure its over and can never come back!"

If Discovery had any fortitude they'd have killed off Burnham.