Yeah and we were saying that it’s odd that the predominantly white schools seem to have a lot less security fencing etc around them than schools with larger minority populations.
Not a scientific observation by any means, but you’d think after all these shootings the false sense of security of a “white”school would kinda be over.
We still hear comments like , oh, that happened at Douglas? You’d think it would be Atlantic!
it probably could do with a review to determine how relevant they are, because you know things change.
If legislation is properly crafted it doesn't need to be changed. Read the laws. They are fine. What is needed is a push from Congress to get law enforcement to do their job and enforce the laws already on the books. The problem is that the NRA has such a grip on the balls of Congress, and such support from law enforcement, that little is done in enforcing the laws as they are written. Also, states rights has a big part in the weak enforcement of gun laws. When one state has very restrictive laws, and the one right next door is the wild west, it is crazy to suggest that some equilibrium in the system can be attained in Washington. Change has to start at the state level, and that is unlikely to happen. Republicans own too many state governments and gun control measures are not on their agenda. In fact, it is the opposite. Look for a loosening of gun ownership, carry restrictions, and transportation restrictions in the very near future. My CCW is honored in 37 states, and there is a push to make that number 50. It should quietly be pushed through Congress sometime this session.
Kid (7th grader) just brought a gun to school, ended up shooting himself in the bathroom. They don't know yet, if it was a suicide attempt or if he had broader plans for the rest of his school. He survived but his condition is not yet known so one imagines hes in surgery or unconscious so police havent yet been able to speak to him.
Al Hoffman Jr., a Florida-based real estate developer who was a leading fund-raiser for George W. Bush’s campaigns, said he would seek to marshal support among other Republican political donors for a renewed assault weapons ban.
“I will not write another check unless they all support a ban on assault weapons,” he wrote. “Enough is enough!”
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A disturbing trend to me from past mass shootings is that in the last two events, Florida and Vegas, the shooter tried to get out alive as opposed to most where they make sure they kill themselves. I don't know how much to read in to that, but it seems like they wanted to admire their work and the publicity they'd get. A think a worthwhile start to try and cut down these events is to not publicize anything about the shooters. The media already does this with children offendors and suicide, and I think it would give these freaks one less motivation.
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Al Hoffman Jr., a Florida-based real estate developer who was a leading fund-raiser for George W. Bush’s campaigns, said he would seek to marshal support among other Republican political donors for a renewed assault weapons ban.
“I will not write another check unless they all support a ban on assault weapons,” he wrote. “Enough is enough!”
Meanwhile, gun nuts will argue the semantics of "assault" weapons and they'll go round and round until the next mass shooting and then it'll be thoughts and prayers all over again.
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A disturbing trend to me from past mass shootings is that in the last two events, Florida and Vegas, the shooter tried to get out alive as opposed to most where they make sure they kill themselves. I don't know how much to read in to that, but it seems like they wanted to admire their work and the publicity they'd get. A think a worthwhile start to try and cut down these events is to not publicize anything about the shooters....
Yeah, that's never going to happen. Like it or not it's newsworthy.
Yeah, that's never going to happen. Like it or not it's newsworthy.
You don't think the fact that some high profile deaths in Calgary lately have been suicides is newsworthy? Or what the name/apperance of the girl who killed her family in Medicine Hat 12 years ago?
Just not naming these guys would go a long way to preventing this, and it doesn't take away from the actual story at all.
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Meanwhile, gun nuts will argue the semantics of "assault" weapons and they'll go round and round until the next mass shooting and then it'll be thoughts and prayers all over again.
Well if your going to write a law you really should get you language right.
If you ban assault weapons tomorrow it's going to do nothing to stop people from buying an AR-15.
You don't think the fact that some high profile deaths in Calgary lately have been suicides is newsworthy? Or what the name/apperance of the girl who killed her family in Medicine Hat 12 years ago?
Just not naming these guys would go a long way to preventing this, and it doesn't take away from the actual story at all.
Maybe, but certainly not as newsworthy as a mass school shooting. I don't what those high-profile deaths were but in some cases that's news, such as the suicide of a public figure or someone linked to a public figure.
Names of minors (Medicine Hat) cannot be released, so that's different. If you're hoping that the media will chose not to release information, that's not happening. If you're suggesting laws be made to prohibit release, that's more likely, I suppose, but also not happening.
Your suggestion might achieve your desired aim, but the fact is school shootings are big news and you can't just shut that down. It's a price of living in a free society. (I'm a former member of the media.)
You don't think the fact that some high profile deaths in Calgary lately have been suicides is newsworthy? Or what the name/apperance of the girl who killed her family in Medicine Hat 12 years ago?
Just not naming these guys would go a long way to preventing this, and it doesn't take away from the actual story at all.
That would be a good start, but wouldn't a proposal like this just die in the Senate since the GOP (and NRA) control both houses?
Meanwhile, you have d-bags like this guy suggesting that the student protesters in Florida are being coached and funded by the Dems for political gain.
A former Georgia Republican congressman suggested Tuesday that left-wing groups could exploit the grief and efforts of students who survived last week's school shooting in Florida and are taking political action to demand an end to gun violence.
"Do we really think -- and I say this sincerely -- do we really think that 17-year-olds on their own are going to plan a nationwide rally?" said Jack Kingston, who is also a CNN commentator.
Kingston argued on CNN's "New Day" that the student survivors' sorrow "can very easily be hijacked by left-wing groups" and Democratic mega-donor George Soros.
That would be a good start, but wouldn't a proposal like this just die in the Senate since the GOP (and NRA) control both houses?
That’s my fear, but I think they’ll do it as a token jesture so they can claim they’ve done something, even though it’ll have very little effect on the level of gun violence.
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it starts somewhere - just like the environmental movement.
Good on these kids.
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I hope this is a start of a major youth movement.
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That would be a good start, but wouldn't a proposal like this just die in the Senate since the GOP (and NRA) control both houses?
Meanwhile, you have d-bags like this guy suggesting that the student protesters in Florida are being coached and funded by the Dems for political gain.
the conspiracy nut jobs are the ones destroying the idea of objective truth.
are the high school students getting some help in organizing? probably... not sure what his GD point is?
pretty easy to appeal to the mouth breathers: blame everything on government (re: democratic) conspiracies... that'll get them foaming at the mouth... i've given up trying to fight Stupid
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are the high school students getting some help in organizing? probably... not sure what his GD point is?
I sure hope the kids are getting help. Help means some adults are taking notice and giving credibility to the cause. I’m with you in that I don’t get his damn point.
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And then there's rhetoric like this floating around. Spoilered for size...
NSFW!
Disgusting. I have no idea who this Dinesh D’Souza guy is, but man, what a despicable piece of s***.
And I'm not surprised at all that Florida rejected a ban on assault weapons. I hope this result doesn't discourage the students from continuing to speak out and keep the gun control conversation in the spotlight, because I really do believe that they have the power to possibly enact change in that country. But they're gonna need to fight tooth and nail to do it. No doubt the GOP and NRA are going to throw everything they have at these kids to try and attack, smear, and silence them.
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