Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[topfiverecords]

I could see it if he was traded to another pacific division team where he gets 4-5 games a season against the future Oilers. That’s an easy 13-15 goals spotted per year.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

McDavid relies on speed for his production. Guys like Ovi & Sid maintain their production using different methods.

McDavid's production will taper faster than Sid or Ovi.

And again, McDavid has never scored 50.

He never has but he's on pace for well over 60 this year. So I think it's reasonable to assume that could be a level he reaches more than once.

But he's still no good.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He never has but he's on pace for well over 60 this year. So I think it's reasonable to assume that could be a level he reaches more than once.

But he's still no good.

this is a tricky one for me, I hate him the burning passion of 1000 suns, but also acknowledge he is a unique offensive talent , playing in a situation that help magnify his already incredible talents


yet those projections of even 4 50 goal seasons are interesting. 14 players in NHL history have 4 or more 50 goal seasons. he's clearly more talented that several of the guys on the list, no doubt, but of those all of those save 3 (Brett Hull, Phil Esposito and Dionne) had managed their first one prior to age 25, and yet McDavid starting out of the gate at 18 has not yet- history would suggest its unlikely then- Dionne might be the closest parallel (Espo different eras and offensive explosion league wide post expansion, Hull a late start to the NHL)


Stamkos scored 51 at 20 and 60 at 22 and hasn't done it since. scoring 50 takes a lot of things to go right (admittedly injuries and lockouts and things are all random, but they are things)

[Jiri Hrdina]

I see two factors that could lower his career projections
- Realizing that he needs to evolve his game to be more two-way
- Being traded/signing elsewhere on a team that doesn't play him a ridiculous amount of time

I think one of the most interesting questions is if/when he decides he wants out. And if Leon does that first? Or do they both decide to go elsewhere together?

If I was an Oiler fan I would be deeply worried about that.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I see two factors that could lower his career projections
- Realizing that he needs to evolve his game to be more two-way
- Being traded/signing elsewhere on a team that doesn't play him a ridiculous amount of time

I think one of the most interesting questions is if/when he decides he wants out. And if Leon does that first? Or do they both decide to go elsewhere together?

If I was an Oiler fan I would be deeply worried about that.

whether traded or not, despite his superb conditioning at some point his ice time will decrease (either due to ageing, team construction/expectations or both) so this is a good point. presumably (although I haven't read the athletic article, Dom's predictions are based on average aging curves- but I think you are right that superimposed on that is a guy who at some point stops playing 145 of 2 m PP and 22 minutes a night

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

what a ####

In Edmonton it's Oilers then family

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[McG]

In favour of Mavi getting more points is the sheer selfishness of the player and his lack of interest in playing at both ends of the ice.

Going against him is that at some point, a coach or a team is going to demand accountability at both ends of the ice.

The longer he remains with the oilers, the less he is accountable and therefore the greater the likelihood of putting up lots of points.

Finally, he doesn’t seem to particularly like or care much about the actual game of hockey from a team perspective. The greatest players (even the jerks) all saw their stats as part of the success of the team.

I think history will view Mavi a lot like Marcel Dionne. A great offensive player that never had the support around him to achieve team success so delighted himself with (and received plaudits for) individual performances.

I don’t see a player that’s motivated enough to play when he’s 40.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Dom at the Athletic is predicting McDavid will score 834 goals and 1403 assists in his career if he finishes at age 40. 2237 points.

Interesting to me he's predicting 830+ goals for a guy who has never scored 50.

Ovi just cracked 800 and has scored 50 nine times. Plus a 48 and 49 goal campaign in recent seasons.

I guess it's easy to just throw crazy stuff out there about McDavid - the Faithful will just eat it up.

interestingly most of the comments are people complaining that Dom has him regressing too much


anyways Yzerman first 7 years 291 goals, McDavid 239


Yzerman career 692, so these projections have him gaining/picking up nearly an additional 200 goals on Yzerman in the post age 25 career


I think there are things for and against this- league scoring went down hard in the back half of Yzerman's career, although we also know he was reinvented as a player. on the other hand he played on increasingly stacked teams (with different expectations though) as time went along

[Toonage]

Legit top headline on TSN right now

"McDavid or Draisaitl - Which Oiler superstar scored the better goal against the Ducks"

Like, seriously. This #### has to be paid for right? Katz has to be paying for this across all Canadian media. Its absurd.

[sonq]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Legit top headline on TSN right now

"McDavid or Draisaitl - Which Oiler superstar scored the better goal against the Ducks"

Like, seriously. This #### has to be paid for right? Katz has to be paying for this across all Canadian media. Its absurd.

I can't believe the amount of Oilers related stuff on every social media platform today. Every other post is about Leon and Connor. Parade is back!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Legit top headline on TSN right now

"McDavid or Draisaitl - Which Oiler superstar scored the better goal against the Ducks"

Like, seriously. This #### has to be paid for right? Katz has to be paying for this across all Canadian media. Its absurd.

Originally Posted by sonq

I can't believe the amount of Oilers related stuff on every social media platform today. Every other post is about Leon and Connor. Parade is back!

Boys the Mighty Oilers are now 17th in the league, so ......ermmm.......yeah as you were.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I see two factors that could lower his career projections
- Realizing that he needs to evolve his game to be more two-way
- Being traded/signing elsewhere on a team that doesn't play him a ridiculous amount of time

I think one of the most interesting questions is if/when he decides he wants out. And if Leon does that first? Or do they both decide to go elsewhere together?

If I was an Oiler fan I would be deeply worried about that.

Both he and Leon are on the Yzerman trajectory where he was putting up a lot of points but not playing a team game. Yzerman had the advantage of a HOF coach to push him in the right direction. It seems every Oilers head coach just defers to overplaying them and letting them focus strictly on offense. It hasn't worked for any of them and it will probably never work the way they do things.

Stauffer is already indicating that Draisaitl may be gone in two years as he's connected the dots where Kopitar's contract expires exactly the same time Leon's does and Draisaitl's agency (Octagon) has placed a lot of their clients in LA over the years. This actually sounds very, very probable actually and Stauffer gets all his information from inside the Oilers organization so it seems the Oilers feel this may happen.

[topfiverecords]

Then watch the Oilers trade their best player to the Kings again. Likely for an elderly Doughty, some firsts and a few junk projects.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Then watch the Oilers trade their best player to the Kings again. Likely for an elderly Doughty, some firsts and a few junk projects.

I expect when Draisaitl leaves, the Oilers in desperation will offer McDavid an obscene contract that no team will match. That would actually make sense when you consider that having McDavid and losing has probably been better for the Oilers exposure and bottom line than winning would with a less star studded team. Oilers fans crave star players that break scoring records more than they crave a winning team and hope alone has sold extremely well in Northern Alberta over the last decade.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I expect when Draisaitl leaves, the Oilers in desperation will offer McDavid an obscene contract that no team will match. That would actually make sense when you consider that having McDavid and losing has probably been better for the Oilers exposure and bottom line than winning would with a less star studded team. Oilers fans crave star players that break scoring records more than they crave a winning team and hope alone has sold extremely well in Northern Alberta over the last decade.

Like $18.5 x 8?

They’d need to throw in some socks.

[Fuzz]

Would McDavid be dumb enough to sign with them again? I dunno.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Would McDavid be dumb enough to sign with them again? I dunno.

He was dumb enough to sign for 8 years in the first place, instead of doing 5 like Mathews.

[Toonage]

I'd have to think even a dullard like McDavid has learned his lesson and will want to move on.

Connor McDullard

[Ashasx]

is the Edmonton media just fans?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1613381745495404545

[Erick Estrada]

I wouldn't call Staples hockey media unless you consider Eklund types media. He's a fan blogger.