[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[sonq]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

3 very important players are brand new and our starter is saving 89% of shots instead of 92%.Obviously there is a lot more nuance to unpack, but it seems the defensive side of the puck has changed most:

Last year we hag 100GF and 73GA through 31gp.

This year is 92GF and 98GA.

Huh, didn't realize the difference in GF was that small

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Fingers crossed this just becomes Huberdeau's version of the Yzerman transition.

Didn’t Yzerman also have Fedorov, Shanahan, Hull, Robitaille, Larianov, Lidstrom and etc to help pull the rope. Granted I was only a small child at the time, but I’m pretty sure the Wings were one of the deepest, HHOF laden rosters of that era. The Flames are definitely not that. This team doesn’t have the same depth or dynamic Hall of Fame game breakers the Wings had to supplement one guy.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by sonq

Huh, didn't realize the difference in GF was that small

Goal scoring looks to be up this year. The Flames were a top 5ish scoring team last season and this year they’re 20 something, big difference. Also, 13-28-19 played the right way. They scored while checking and defending and barely gave up any goals.

This current team is so desperate to score these days they press almost too much and give up big scoring chances the other way which ends up in the back of their net more often then not. It’s a byproduct of not scoring, take risks, make mistakes, goal against. Feel like we’ve seen that a lot especially recently.

[Kasi]

Also recall the team wasn’t especially strong out of the gate last year. They were much more a second half team. However early on Markstrom stood on his head and got most of the shutouts which led to a good record even though they weren’t playing their best.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Also recall the team wasn’t especially strong out of the gate last year. They were much more a second half team. However early on Markstrom stood on his head and got most of the shutouts which led to a good record even though they weren’t playing their best.

That’s right, I don’t remember October 2021 being a particularly impressive month. After that month, they crushed it and never looked back, it was pretty much smooth sailing the rest of the season.

[Kasi]

By 11/21 Markstrom had seven shutouts. Goaltending really held things nicely together. Second half the top line just took over and took them to near the top.

[dino7c]

Seems people only like to bump this thread when the Flames are losing

Huberdeau and Weegar are really coming along...they were already VERY strong defensively and the points have started to follow

Winning goal for each in the last two games
Tkachuk is still putting up points but the Panthers are looking more like a bottom feeder than even a bubble team...and with no first that is a pretty big yikes for them

Under the circumstances this is still a major win for BT

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Seems people only like to bump this thread when the Flames are losing

Huberdeau and Weegar are really coming along...they were already VERY strong defensively and the points have started to follow

Winning goal for each in the last two games
Tkachuk is still putting up points but the Panthers are looking more like a bottom feeder than even a bubble team...and with no first that is a pretty big yikes for them

Under the circumstances this is still a major win for BT

I want Panthers to pick top ten just to see how many separate trade tree clauses that messes up. Pushes all draft picks ahead a year and then that would mess with their pick we traded too.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Seems people only like to bump this thread when the Flames are losing

Huberdeau and Weegar are really coming along...they were already VERY strong defensively and the points have started to follow

Winning goal for each in the last two games
Tkachuk is still putting up points but the Panthers are looking more like a bottom feeder than even a bubble team...and with no first that is a pretty big yikes for them

Under the circumstances this is still a major win for BT

Why bump this thread at all? We have a dedicated thread to talk about past Flames players's performance.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Huberdeau and Weegar are really coming along...they were already VERY strong defensively and the points have started to

Under the circumstances this is still a major win for BT

I agree that each had played well defensively.

The points are coming for Huberdeau for sure.

Weegar? Before his two points last night, he had 1 point in his last 14 games. I think the one game is too small a sample size to suggest he ‘s turned a corner offensively.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Why bump this thread at all? We have a dedicated thread to talk about past Flames players's performance.

I am talking about current Flames, both seem to be trending up

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I agree that each had played well defensively.

The points are coming for Huberdeau for sure.

Weegar? Before his two points last night, he had 1 point in his last 14 games. I think the one game is too small a sample size to suggest he ‘s turned a corner offensively.

Points comment was more about Huberdeau but to my eyes Weegar seems to be creating more of late too.

His D has been top notch all season...after losing Kylington the Flames would be really facked without him IMO.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Weegar has been involved but like the whole team missing empty nets and hitting posts have stat lines looking bad.

He is in good position joining the rush but it seems like they never find him.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Weegar has been involved but like the whole team missing empty nets and hitting posts have stat lines looking bad.

He is in good position joining the rush but it seems like they never find him.

I just think he's more like Bouwmeester ... skillset to get in position but doesn't have the offensive instincts to finish.

Seems to hold pucks too long before shooting as the main culprit.

But elite in what he gives up, so honestly I don't care.

If the Panthers miss the playoffs, I imagine those two will be quietly pretty happy behind the scenes.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just think he's more like Bouwmeester ... skillset to get in position but doesn't have the offensive instincts to finish.

Seems to hold pucks too long before shooting as the main culprit.

But elite in what he gives up, so honestly I don't care.

If the Panthers miss the playoffs, I imagine those two will be quietly pretty happy behind the scenes.

Interesting comparison.

He seems more involved if you ask me at both ends. He might be holding pucks too long but he does venture into the offensive zone with the puck a lot as well. When he doesn't have it you can see him finding open ice to get shots off but he's not getting those passes.

I honestly think he has some more untapped offensive potential he definitely isn't the 9 point player he is right now. But like you said as long as he limits chances and we win he's doing his job. Thought him and Tanev shut down McDavid last Tuesday.

[jayswin]

The only comparison I see to Bouwmeester is that both came from Florida and both played an offensive style there where the trailing D-man would get passes on rushes. Both came to the Flames in systems where the D-men aren't used quite as a regularly as pass options, unless the play is already set up in the zone.

Both struggled offensively because of that. Weegar is amazing, he's so sneaky good defensively. I expect his numbers will stay slightly lower in Calgary even when he figures everything out here, but he will be our number or two D-man for the duration of that contract. You don't complain about that $6.25AAV in todays NHL.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I want Panthers to pick top ten just to see how many separate trade tree clauses that messes up. Pushes all draft picks ahead a year and then that would mess with their pick we traded too.

It won't mess up anything, this year's pick is locked-in to the Habs. There are no further conditions on it.

It's the 2024/2025/2026 picks that could get all screwy if they finish low in the standings next season.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by getbak

It won't mess up anything, this year's pick is locked-in to the Habs. There are no further conditions on it.

It's the 2024/2025/2026 picks that could get all screwy if they finish low in the standings next season.

The Flames still have their 1st this year unconditionally.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flames

[Strange Brew]

Weegar was billed by Panther fans as this big risk/reward guy. I don’t see that in his game with Flames, more low risk/low reward.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Boreal

The Flames still have their 1st this year unconditionally.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flames

Yes, but we were talking about the Panthers.