2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Jfresh is on board

When healthy…

Gaudreau - Eichel - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Coleman
Dube - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Lewis - Richardson
Duehr, Gawdin, Ritchie

My god that’s a crazy deep top 9

Monahan + Valimaki + Pelletier + 22 1st (top 3 protected) gets it done?

The author of the article hits it right on the nose in regards to impact of an Eichel trade. If Eichel comes to Calgary it is going to cost the team two of their current top six, because of budget. You are not going to see a lineup with Gaudreau, Eichel, and Tkachuk in it. The Flames won't be able to afford it. You can't spend more than 1/3 of your budget on your top line and think you are going to be competitive. Gaudreau will be a $9-9.5M player when he signs his next deal. Tkachuk will be the same, possibly higher if he produces this season. So one of those two has to go just to keep the budget under control, because you're taking on another $3 million plus bringing Eichel in. The Flames need significant upgrades elsewhere, so they will have to keep that in mind. Hopefully they can flip the one salary that doesn't fit and fill the gaps, because the players used to get Eichel will create an even larger hole in our existing system. It is a huge gamble, but I can see why people would want to take the risk. The hope of having a supposedly elite player would be nice to have when you watch a game rather than what we have been subjected to over the past few years.

[Heavy Jack]

^^^ you can for this year and then flip Tkachuk for futures next. BT might just do it too as he’s in a position to have to push all in. This would be that move. Add to that the flexibility the flames will gain from having Jack on LTIR… maybe Buffalo even retains on Eichel to facilitate another future?? It’s not so cut and dry and we shouldn’t confuse this years cap with next years cap.

[Vinny01]

If the Flames use Monahan as the main cap dump in the Eichel trade they can go all in for this year before they would need to move on from Tkachuk or Johnny. With Tkachuk still having his rights owned he could be flipped for futures next summer for sure.

This roster minus Monahan should be able to be in the mix until Eichel would be ready to join for the stretch drive. They get one run with Gaudreau-Eichel-Tkachuk and then one of those wingers is gone.

[Wish They Could Win]

The regular season starts Tuesday. Trading for an Eichel on LTIR on Tuesday becomes much easier as you don’t have to fit his salary into the cap structure of your team until he comes back. So theoretically you don’t have to trade Monahan or another big ticket forward for 4-5 months.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Scroopy Noopers]

If an unsigned Tkachuk is traded I’ll lose my mind. Talk about selling for the lowest possible return.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

If an unsigned Tkachuk is traded I’ll lose my mind. Talk about selling for the lowest possible return.

How is that the case? If he has a massive bounce back year he will have more value than he did this summer coming off a bad season?

Unsigned RFA’s have a ton of value when they are star players

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How is that the case? If he has a massive bounce back year he will have more value than he did this summer coming off a bad season?

Unsigned RFA’s have a ton of value when they are star players

I can’t think of an example but I’ll gladly be proven wrong.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I can’t think of an example but I’ll gladly be proven wrong.

Treliving’s biggest moves were acquiring high profile RFA’s. Hamilton,
Lindholm and Hanifin. Kessel to the Leafs is another famous example

[dino7c]

Lucic is gonna retire after this season...Flames can keep the band together with Eichel IMO

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Jfresh is on board

When healthy…

Gaudreau - Eichel - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Coleman
Dube - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Lewis - Richardson
Duehr, Gawdin, Ritchie

My god that’s a crazy deep top 9

Monahan + Valimaki + Pelletier + 22 1st (top 3 protected) gets it done?

The only piece Calgary would need is a minute munching mobile LHD imo to be a true contender.

Lindholm or Ekholm fit the bill. (stupid cap)

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lucic is gonna retire after this season...Flames can keep the band together with Eichel IMO

Interesting thought.

Next season his salary is only $1,000,000. He has a signing bonus of $3,000,000 though. I assume that bonus is paid out on July 1st, can he take it and then retire afterwards but before the season starts? He'd only be forfeiting the $1,000,000 then.

[dino7c]

Yep, I think he might...I shouldn't have stated it as a fact. They could probably move him too considering the cap hit vs. actual salary.

If it looks like he will be eating popcorn I can't imagine him sticking around for 1M. He almost retired once already.

[Saqe]

The proposed deal here makes sense for the Flames and maybe for Buffalo, even if they just flip Monahan. But for Monahan? It seems like the worst career move at this point for him to go to that dumpster fire team. He's soon to UFA and needs to maximize his value and going to Buffalo is the opposite. Who would he even play with? They just traded away Reinhart too. I just can't think of a single good reason for him to waive there so not holding my breath.

[Vinny01]

You look no further than the Duchene blockbuster for the Avs. Colorado had no need for Turris but they were able to get Turris to commit to an extension with a win now team in Nashville and then get Girard and a 2nd routed to the Avs.

Buffalo would be in a spot where they could retain on Monahan and find a home for him at $3.2M somewhere like Vegas, Boston, Chicago, Seattle Islanders, Ottawa (wouldn’t even need retention)

[AC]

Originally Posted by Wish They Could Win

The regular season starts Tuesday. Trading for an Eichel on LTIR on Tuesday becomes much easier as you don’t have to fit his salary into the cap structure of your team until he comes back. So theoretically you don’t have to trade Monahan or another big ticket forward for 4-5 months.

This is maybe the most interesting possibility. The Flames season starts on the 16th, so if Buffalo puts Eichel on LTIR we could trade futures almost exclusively while holding onto Monahan in the meantime. We'd be talking multiple 1sts and recent 1st round picks then.

That doesn't decimate our roster for an injured player, and gives us the ability to make a salary trade later closer to an Eichel return date post surgery. You could recoup a 1st for Monahan at least.

Now the big question is can Buffalo even put him on LTIR or does that drop them down below the cap floor?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by AC

This is maybe the most interesting possibility. The Flames season starts on the 16th, so if Buffalo puts Eichel on LTIR we could trade futures almost exclusively while holding onto Monahan in the meantime. That doesn't decimate our roster for an injured player, and gives us the ability to make a salary trade later closer to an Eichel return date post surgery.

Now the big question is can Buffalo even put him on LTIR or does that drop them down below the cap floor?

Does “tagging” cap-space come into effect in this scenario? Where the Flames would have too much money committed for the 22/23 season?

*just checked, clearly not. Even just adding straight $10M it still
Leaves the Flames with ample space in 22/23*

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Wish They Could Win

The regular season starts Tuesday. Trading for an Eichel on LTIR on Tuesday becomes much easier as you don’t have to fit his salary into the cap structure of your team until he comes back. So theoretically you don’t have to trade Monahan or another big ticket forward for 4-5 months.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. Your roster has to be cap compliant before you put a player on LTIR. Also, Buffalo won't be putting Eichel on LTIR because they're nowhere near the cap. LTIR is only used if you need to exceed the cap to replace a player's salary. The Sabres need his salary to get above the floor.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You look no further than the Duchene blockbuster for the Avs. Colorado had no need for Turris but they were able to get Turris to commit to an extension with a win now team in Nashville and then get Girard and a 2nd routed to the Avs.

Buffalo would be in a spot where they could retain on Monahan and find a home for him at $3.2M somewhere like Vegas, Boston, Chicago, Seattle Islanders, Ottawa (wouldn’t even need retention)

Good point. Still you have to expect Monahan having a lot of control where to go. Maybe Vegas? I guess they need centers.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Treliving’s biggest moves were acquiring high profile RFA’s. Hamilton,
Lindholm and Hanifin. Kessel to the Leafs is another famous example

I mean… from a Hurricanes perspective I hate it .

Same with the Bruins. You think those were good returns?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I mean… from a Hurricanes perspective I hate it .

Same with the Bruins. You think those were good returns?

I’d like it more for the Bruins if they’d taken Barzal/Chabot/Connor instead of whichever nobody they took at 15.

Trading Lindholm and Hanifin for 184 games of Dougie, 71 games of Ferland and a 2nd and 3rd from the Rangers for Fox is horrific.