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Old 12-10-2010, 06:55 AM   #381
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I think the reason a lot of people are so bothered by the details of this show are just that they see the potential. If some of the acting and writing were slightly better, it'd be a great show. Instead, there are at least a few moments in every episode where I just cringe and look away. It really detracts from an otherwise compelling concept.
Wow great post. Sums up exactly my feelings. I see the potential, sadly I've seen it degrade from a great pilot to just action-drama schlock in six episodes!

That's why I'm complaining. It should and could be so much better.
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:41 PM   #382
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Sure but why not just incinerate the holding lab where all those viruses exist and keep the data, research, etc? The existing failsafes to make sure the viruses didn't escape the lab must be pretty damn good because you know people work in what looks like to be a housing facility. Can't even have them escaping into the rest of the building. So, just destroy the lab.

What if power is accidentally cut? Does everyone in the building just instantly die? It's built as a bunker why not just lock the building down if it loses power?

Why does it need to explode? Wouldn't it be more dangerous to blow the building up as it appears and potentially send viruses airborne?

Because it's dramatic.
The emergency generators were running out of fuel, so the computer system was set to a catastrophic fail safe of destryoing the entire facility. Pre-apoclypse if the power goes out the emergency generator kicks in. But he had been running them a month now and he had no more fuel.

That begs the question why not go out and scavenge some, but the guy seemed like too much of a wuss for that and the group had no idea and no time.
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The emergency generators were running out of fuel, so the computer system was set to a catastrophic fail safe of destryoing the entire facility. Pre-apoclypse if the power goes out the emergency generator kicks in. But he had been running them a month now and he had no more fuel.

That begs the question why not go out and scavenge some, but the guy seemed like too much of a wuss for that and the group had no idea and no time.
That's what i was wondering. there were tanks and other trucks outside, why couldn't the do some scavenge missions and siphon the diesel from the many vehicles littered about. The vatos at the nursing home seemed to be somewhat thriving by daily scavenging outings.
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That's what i was wondering. there were tanks and other trucks outside, why couldn't the do some scavenge missions and siphon the diesel from the many vehicles littered about. The vatos at the nursing home seemed to be somewhat thriving by daily scavenging outings.
The guy wanted to die, and the group didn't have time. His main sample got destroyed so he viewed himself as a failure and was ready to die.
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The guy wanted to die, and the group didn't have time. His main sample got destroyed so he viewed himself as a failure and was ready to die.
I was figuring they were going to go back and pick up the dude who could see the future (the one digging the holes before the attack).

Scientist needed "fresh sample". It seemed intuitive they could grab him, secure him and provide a fresh sample when he turned.

Oh well. Much like the "tunnel" in the second episode, it was just a non sequiter used to fill airtime I guess. I don't harsh a fantasy series on plot holes TOO much, and I suppose the comic book laid out the framework in advance, but stuff like "oh, we're out of fuel, so the whole place is going to blow" - is just lazy writing.

On the whole I found the episodes were one good followed by one bad. Any time they deviated from the whole zombie apocalypse part, it sort of bugged me. You need the quiet moments to build the tension, but damn, did we really need a 10 minute discussion about fishing between the two sisters? It added nothing.
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You would think that a facility that technologically advanced would go into "power-saving mode" a little earlier than an hour before it lost fuel. Also, it doesn't explain the main scientist character who's a complete contradiction. Why is he even researching cures when he knows he has 3 days of power left and the facility goes sky-high? He seemed like a normal rational guy, why didn't he tell the stowaways about the power issues at the beginning? Or if he is maniacal and wanted to kill them with him all along, why does he suddenly change his mind after no more influential arguments from the Cop? There wasn't a game changing event for him to release them, he just does. Just a completely unbelievable character and sequence of events.
-It went into extreme power saving mode close to the time the fuel was going to run out. Obviously the dude had been trying to conserve power for weeks/months
-He's researching cures because he promised his wife he would?
-The guy has no hope, seems to only lived to fulfill his promise to his wife
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What reason would the CDC have to automatically blow up if it didn't have any more power? Why is that a failsafe?

Doesn't. Make. Sense.
How does it not make sense? Deadly viruses and bacteria were being stored (perhaps on ice) which could wipe out mankind. No power means no guaranteed containment, especially over time when the building degrades. I mean all the viruses and bacteria wouldn't necessarily escape right away but I didn't find that part of the premise in any way questionable.

Would not surprise me if the actual CDC has a similar self-destruct procedure for extended power loss scenarios.
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Sure but why not just incinerate the holding lab where all those viruses exist and keep the data, research, etc? The existing failsafes to make sure the viruses didn't escape the lab must be pretty damn good because you know people work in what looks like to be a housing facility. Can't even have them escaping into the rest of the building. So, just destroy the lab.

What if power is accidentally cut? Does everyone in the building just instantly die? It's built as a bunker why not just lock the building down if it loses power?

Why does it need to explode? Wouldn't it be more dangerous to blow the building up as it appears and potentially send viruses airborne?

Because it's dramatic.
-scientists can presumably sign some of the viruses/bacteria out of the holding area to study them. so there's no guarantee they are always all in the holding area
-instantly? the building had been on backup power for weeks/months after it lost power. the building only blew up once backup power had been completely exhausted.
-extreme heat is the only way to kill the bacteria/viruses? I thought they exlained that in the show when they were talking about superheating the air by igniting it.
-how does locking the building down contain the viruses/bacteria indefinitely? buildings degrade over time. buildings can be blown open in wartime by bombs/tanks. The only way to destroy the viruses/bacteria was very high heat.

I find it really weird that instead of questioning how people come back from death and become zombies, instead someone gets hung up on the fact that a building that stores infectious bacteria and viruses would self-destruct if it had no more power to contain them.

The entire premise of the show is far more questionable than the CDC stuff. If you can overlook how zombies come into being, how do you take issue with the CBC blowing itself up? Makes no sense to me.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:10 PM   #389
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I've never had a problem accepting the story in this show. The problem for me has always come with the human interaction. That's the one part of the show that is supposed be common with everyone, so that we can relate to the extreme events in the show.

I mean, the best friend thing between Shane and Rick is stated, but seemingly non existent throughout the show. And the CDC doctor, who has seen all of his colleagues either die around him or escape. Yet he seems indifferent to having fresh faces around him. Wouldn't that give you at least a shot of hope? That regular people have been braving the extreme conditions and are still holding together? Some of the simple interactions in the show just baffle me.
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:18 AM   #390
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Looks like the second season will be starting up in July and sitting next to Breaking Bad, at least according to Bryan Cranston. That's good news for the fans and the producers. I think the two shows have similar audiences and will work well together.
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Can't wait for season 2.
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Old 07-03-2011, 06:23 PM   #393
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Yep on my top 3 shows to watch this year list.

Breaking bad season 4
Entourage final season
Walking Dead Season 2

Honorable mention

Curb's new season
Dexter....starting to get a little bored,but still like it
MadMen...2012....ugh.
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October 31st premiere (at least according to my TV Forecast app), in case anyone wasn't sure.
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Old 07-03-2011, 06:39 PM   #395
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October 31st premiere (at least according to my TV Forecast app), in case anyone wasn't sure.
Ugh! I really cannot wait that long. 13 episodes though. I'm really happy about that. Last season was far too short.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:11 PM   #396
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WTH? Did that video say there were only 13 episodes this season? I thought it would be 26, especially with the success of the last season. Colour me disappointed.
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WTH? Did that video say there were only 13 episodes this season? I thought it would be 26, especially with the success of the last season. Colour me disappointed.
It's AMC though, so it's not your basic station. I don't think AMC shows have ever run for more than 13 episodes (although I could be wrong). I for one am more then satisfied with 13 episodes as I thought there would only be 6 like last year.
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WTH? Did that video say there were only 13 episodes this season? I thought it would be 26, especially with the success of the last season. Colour me disappointed.
This is a cable show, not network. That's a pretty standard number (maybe even high) for a cable show.

Look at the latest season of most of the big cable (HBO, Showtime, AMC) shows.

Nurse Jackie s3 - 12 episodes
Breaking Bad s 3 - 13 episodes
Mad Men s4 - 13 episodes
Dexter s5 - 12 episodes
Game of Thrones s1 - 10 episodes

It goes on and on like this. Entourage, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Boardwalk Empire etc etc...
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You know, I totally forgot that last season was only 6 episodes. I feel better now. Thanks guys!
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This is a cable show, not network. That's a pretty standard number (maybe even high) for a cable show.

Look at the latest season of most of the big cable (HBO, Showtime, AMC) shows.

Nurse Jackie s3 - 12 episodes
Breaking Bad s 3 - 13 episodes
Mad Men s4 - 13 episodes
Dexter s5 - 12 episodes
Game of Thrones s1 - 10 episodes

It goes on and on like this. Entourage, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Boardwalk Empire etc etc...
Why is that anyways? Is it because the episodes are generally more expensive to produce?
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