[News] Waiver Wire Oct 2 - Prosvetov, Kerins clear. Avs claim Solovyov

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I thought Solovyov looked good with Pachal. Very frustrating that we lost him so that we could... see more of Bean and Miromanov instead.

Oh well. Hopefully this opens the door for a Kuznetsov transition to the NHL this year.

Or more of Pachal. As it stands now there’s only room for one of Paschal, Bean, and Miro. So even if Solo was better than 2/3 it’d be unlikely for us to see much of him.

Feels like a lot of people are overlooking your second point. Solo is 25, there’s another 3-4 AHL guys who are a few years younger and looked pretty close along with having higher potential. If people don’t like guys tweeners blocking younger players from having opportunities, then this is just one less tweener doing that.

[DropIt]

If Solovyov was an NHL caliber defenseman he'd have made the cut.

[Shazam]

They take Solo, Flames take Makar. Fair trade.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ped

If the Avs put Solo on waivers, the Flames do not get priority to get him back. Waiver wire priority is last year's standings reversed. If another team higher on the list than the Flames, then the other team gets him. If another team lower on the list than the Flames makes a claim, then the Flames get him but would have to waive him again in order to send him to the AHL. If the Flames claim him and no other team put in a claim, they can send him straight to the AHL without putting on waivers again.

Pretty sure this is wrong...Flames losing him to waivers moves them to the top. For that player only.

See the Oilers waiver wars last season

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by DropIt

If Solovyov was an NHL caliber defenseman he'd have made the cut.

I guess another team will have to find out if he is or not.

[Karl]

Wish some NHL team would've claimed Billy Sweezey for shats and giggles.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by DropIt

If Solovyov was an NHL caliber defenseman he'd have made the cut.

I wonder if Florida knew what they were getting when they claimed Forsling?

Solo probably won't be missed, but GMs can be wrong about players.

[Burn13]

Disappointing. Keeping Bean for obvious reasons and Miromanov not to make the Hanifin trade look weak. Solo had size and upside.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Burn13

Disappointing. Keeping Bean for obvious reasons and Miromanov not to make the Hanifin trade look weak. Solo had size and upside.

Miro is likely waived this weekend...the unprotected 1st is the Hanifin trade

[Badgers Nose]

I think Gru jumped ahead of the waived guys.

We will probably see him up this year. Simple low event defenceman.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pretty sure this is wrong...Flames losing him to waivers moves them to the top. For that player only.

See the Oilers waiver wars last season

Yeah, as long as it's within 30 days or 10 games. And if no other team puts in a claim they can immediately send them down after reclaiming. That's what finally ended the Lavoie battle.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Redrum

I guess another team will have to find out if he is or not.

Were you under a rock the last years? We found out.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Burn13

Disappointing. Keeping Bean for obvious reasons and Miromanov not to make the Hanifin trade look weak. Solo had size and upside.

Lots of greats broke out in their draft + 7 season, that’s for sure.

I mean, how can you assess a player in only seven years. It’s not fair

[harleymjr]

I was hoping Flames would put in a claim on Cole Schwindt. I think he is an upgrade on Kirkland. Claimed by Florida so we could have had him.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by harleymjr

I was hoping Flames would put in a claim on Cole Schwindt. I think he is an upgrade on Kirkland. Claimed by Florida so we could have had him.

This one is kind of funny to me. Flames media brings up how the management group were disappointed that Schwindt was claimed, how he is what the team needs, a RHS that is ideal for the 4L etc. Then the Flames get a chance to pick him up and they're all "yeah, we good."

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Or more of Pachal. As it stands now there’s only room for one of Paschal, Bean, and Miro. So even if Solo was better than 2/3 it’d be unlikely for us to see much of him.

Feels like a lot of people are overlooking your second point. Solo is 25, there’s another 3-4 AHL guys who are a few years younger and looked pretty close along with having higher potential. If people don’t like guys tweeners blocking younger players from having opportunities, then this is just one less tweener doing that.

Yes, of the guys getting picked up I am glad it is Solovyov instead of Kuznetsov or Poirier. I think Kuznetsov still has a higher ceiling and hopefully Poirier can take a step to get back on track before he runs out of opportunities.

But with Andersson still on the roster it seems like a waste to keep Miromanov in the 8D NHL group instead of someone like Solovyov. We have the vets to anchor each pair, too many RD, and could have given two rookies reps in the NHL.

Bahl-Weegar
Hanley/Solovyov-Andersson
Bean-Pachal/Parekh

Anyway, with Solovyov gone now we can watch Miromanov eat popcorn and watch Pachal and Parekh take turns in the #3RD spot. Hanley and Bean will also get more ice.. maybe the plan is to pump up Bean's value for a trade?????

[Ped]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pretty sure this is wrong...Flames losing him to waivers moves them to the top. For that player only.

See the Oilers waiver wars last season

You would be incorrect. As per the CBA:

13.19 If only one Club makes a claim for the Player on whom Waivers have been requested, such Player shall be transferred to that Club. In the event that more than one Club makes a claim for such Player, he shall: (i) be transferred to the claiming Club having earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the League standing at the time of the request for Waivers, or (ii) if Waivers are requested outside the Regular Season, or the successful Waiver claim is made (i.e., the date the Player would be transferred to a successful claiming Club per this Section), before November 1st then the priority shall be determined by the final standing in the League's
Regular Season schedule in the preceding Regular Season. In the event that two (2) or more claiming Clubs in (i) above have the same percentage of possible points in the League standing at the time of the Waiver claim, the Player will be transferred to the claiming Club (1) with the lowest winning percentage at the time of the request for Waivers (excluding games won in the Shootout); (2) if there are claiming Clubs that remain tied following (1), then to the Club (of such remaining Clubs) that has earned the fewest number of points in games against each other (to be determined consistent with the procedures used to determine the final League standings, particularly the manner in which "odd games" are eliminated from the analysis); and (3) if there are claiming Clubs that remain tied following (2), then to the Club (of such remaining Clubs)with the lowest differential between goals for and goals against as determined on a per game basis from National Hockey League official statistics used for purposes of determining League standings (i.e., the difference obtained by subtracting the Club's total goals against from the Club's total goals for is divided by the number of games played by the Club). These tie-breaking procedures are subject to change consistent with any change adopted to the League's tie-breaking procedures for determining League standings, however, for purposes of this provision any steps in such updated procedures shall be calculated and/or applied on a per game basis where possible(e.g., winning percentage as opposed to wins and goal differential on a per game basis as opposed to goal differential)

Nothing there about any sort of priority.

Also:

13.22 When a Club claims a Player on Regular or Unconditional Waivers, and, subsequently, in the same season it requests Waivers on the same Player and the original owning Club is the successful and only Club making a Waiver claim, then the original owning Club shall be entitled to Loan such Player to a club in another league within thirty days without further Waivers being asked; provided that such Player has not participated in ten or more NHL Games (cumulative) and remained on an NHL roster more than thirty days (cumulative) following such successful claim.

Wouldn't need the word "successful" if they had priority.

Lavoie had his situation because no one ahead of the Oilers or Golden Knights that had priority over them made a claim.

Edit: Additionally,


We’re reaching the time of the year where some of the players claimed via the waiver wire back in the preseason will once again be on waivers after failing to make an impression on their new squad or the return of another player from injury has forced them off the roster. The team that originally lost the player does not automatically have top priority in reclaiming him. However, if the original team places a claim and no one else does, the original team would be permitted to send the player to the minor leagues. We saw this happen today with Martin Frk and Detroit.


https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016...-priority.html

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Lots of greats broke out in their draft + 7 season, that’s for sure.

I mean, how can you assess a player in only seven years. It’s not fair

It's funny - people tend to see guys who've been playing on the farm as youngsters. All I know is some people have been pumping his tires for a couple years but when he came up last year he looked lost.

Yet Joel Farabee who is the same age is a bust.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Were you under a rock the last years? We found out.

Apparently so was hockeydb because they don't show this epic career over the last "years" with the Flames he had that you remember. Oh wait 5 games last year, you're right we've seen everything.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Ped

You would be incorrect. As per the CBA:,


We’re reaching the time of the year where some of the players claimed via the waiver wire back in the preseason will once again be on waivers after failing to make an impression on their new squad or the return of another player from injury has forced them off the roster. The team that originally lost the player does not automatically have top priority in reclaiming him. However, if the original team places a claim and no one else does, the original team would be permitted to send the player to the minor leagues. We saw this happen today with Martin Frk and Detroit.


https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016...-priority.html

My man, when you emphasized "saw this today" and it linked to a transaction from 2016 I was awfully confused. We gotta work on our quoting and formatting a bit.