[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Highly touted two-way D with terrible analytics who has been linked to Western Canada forever and (potentially) ends up going there after a seemingly endless drawn-out saga of trade rumours and discussion. Except at least Hamonic was on a sweetheart contract ...

I very much doubt that Conroy pays the acquisition price for Byram that Treliving did for Hamonic.

[FlamesFanInEdmonton]

At this point I'd rather not pursue Byram. Dump RA and roll with what we've got. Let the kids play.

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanInEdmonton

At this point I'd rather not pursue Byram. Dump RA and roll with what we've got. Let the kids play.

Because it's Kevyn Adams, I would give him a friendly ultimatum. Let me know by 10:00 am tomorrow morning or we move on and the deal is off the table - kindly

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanInEdmonton

At this point I'd rather not pursue Byram. Dump RA and roll with what we've got. Let the kids play.

I dig this philosophy also. Many options here. The best thing that has happened is no huge overpayment in free agency.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Everything about this feels like a mistake. Reminds me so much of Hamonic.

At worst, it's more Jay Bouwmeester than Hamonic. Byram at least has skills.

The Hamonic thing still puzzles me. I watched him dominate defensively in Long Island. He switches cities and forgets how to play defense. Truly frustrating.

This is not that.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Everything about this feels like a mistake. Reminds me so much of Hamonic.

I don’t see it that way at all.

Hamonic was 27, Byram just turned 24. Byram has an injury history that concerns me but he is a much different player than Hamonic. I mean Byram had 17 pts in 30 games before having 9 in 20 during the Avs cup run. He logged almost 20 minutes in those playoffs and in the cup final he logged the most 5 on 5 time of any player on either team. I think he is a 40-50 pt dman when healthy and proved himself at the highest level. I think it’s all about health and team fit with him, but he is far more skilled and more proven than Hamonic was.

Byram is a modern NHL dman, Hamonic was more of a throwback defensive dman who frankly just wasn’t very good at defence when he got to Calgary.

[Ashasx]

I don't think Scorp is saying Byram plays like Hamonic, but the idea of adding a player to this org that doesn't move the needle (and we don't even have our core yet) too early on in the building phase.

This organization should be building its core before adding complementary pieces.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't think Scorp is saying Byram plays like Hamonic, but the idea of adding a player to this org that doesn't move the needle (and we don't even have our core yet) too early on in the building phase.

This organization should be building its core before adding complementary pieces.

Byram is a year and a half older than Coronato and 3 months older than Zary

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't think Scorp is saying Byram plays like Hamonic, but the idea of adding a player to this org that doesn't move the needle (and we don't even have our core yet) too early on in the building phase.

This organization should be building its core before adding complementary pieces.

Dude.

Byram would be part of the core. He's not complementary at all.

What are people not understanding about a 23/24 year old who has a lot of natural talent and fits the mold of a top pairing defenseman?

At worst he's 2nd pair, and is still a core piece.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Highly touted as a two-way D but who has terrible analytics and has been linked to Western Canada forever — and (potentially) ends up going there after a seemingly endless drawn-out saga of trade rumours and discussion. Except at least Hamonic was on a sweetheart contract ...

Terrible analytics is quite the exaggeration.

Hamonic’s sweetheart deal is why the trade discussions were so drawn out and why he cost so much to acquire.

Byram is a much more skilled and well rounded defenseman.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Dude.

Byram would be part of the core. He's not complementary at all.

What are people not understanding about a 23/24 year old who has a lot of natural talent and fits the mold of a top pairing defenseman?

At worst he's 2nd pair, and is still a core piece.

Man you can keep saying this but by no metric other than being drafted 4th overall has Byram shown he should be part of this core.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Byram is a year and a half older than Coronato and 3 months older than Zary

I'm not sure I would consider any of those players part of the core of this team. They are the definition of complementary players IMO. Nice pieces, but not core players.

[TheScorpion]

I simply don't buy that Byram is a core player in the making at this point. And I certainly wouldn't be parting with assets that reflect that kind of expectation. Buying low and hoping he turns into that kind of guy? Sure. But beyond the draft pedigree, I don't see any evidence that Byram is a franchise pillar type of guy.

Nothing in his results with the Sabres last season suggests he's anything more than a middle-pair guy in the same vein as Brandon Montour or Kevin Shattenkirk — at best.

Flames should hold onto their assets instead of pursuing this.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Man you can keep saying this but by no metric other than being drafted 4th overall has Byram shown he should be part of this core.

He is more accomplished than most players in the Flames “core”. I don’t even think the Flames have a long term core outside of Wolf and Parekh. All the rest are pretty unproven. The Flames do not have a 24 year old cup winning dman who played 23 minutes a night in the finals.

F the analytics. The dude was on the Sabres and had injuries. It makes a lot of sense why the Flames want him.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm not sure I would consider any of those players part of the core of this team. They are the definition of complementary players IMO. Nice pieces, but not core players.

*facepalm*

Coronato is a 22 year old who just scored 24 goals in his sophomore season (although his rookie season was just 34 games). He's likely to become a perennial 30 goal scorer and he's complementary in your eyes?

Damn, you're a hard sell.

I'll take Coronato and Byram on my team anytime.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Beninho

He is more accomplished than most players on the Flames “core”. I don’t even think the Flames have a long term core outside of Wolf and Parekh. All the rest are pretty unproven

He is? Who is even the core of this team?

[iloveicedhockey]

Yeah, the analytics bods aren't fans but there does seem to be some which suggest there's a player in there. He was traded for middlestadt, who's a middle six, 45 point Centre; I don't really want buffalo making a mint off is.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

*facepalm*

Coronato is a 22 year old who just scored 24 goals in his sophomore season (although his rookie season was just 34 games). He's likely to become a perennial 30 goal scorer and he's complementary in your eyes?

Damn, you're a hard sell.

I'll take Coronato and Byram on my team anytime.

man what are you talking about? Who are you arguing with? Did I say I wouldnt have Coronato and Byram on my team?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Terrible analytics is quite the exaggeration.

Hamonic’s sweetheart deal is why the trade discussions were so drawn out and why he cost so much to acquire.

Byram is a much more skilled and well rounded defenseman.

It really isn't an exaggeration at all. Byram has been brutally underwater for years, even when he was in Colorado. It's just bad all around.

You can debate the merits of these kinds of numbers but for a supposed offensive defenceman he doesn't generate much offense on his own. And when he wasn't with Dahlin this past year it was just a total trainwreck.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1932904224020480145

[PepsiFree]

For a fan base that seems desperate for a top five pick we sure do spend a lot of time discounting or outright hating on a lot of players picked top five.