[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Matty81

This whole rebuild is such a cluster#### because of Treliving.

The Huberdeau deal is one of the biggest screwups in recent league history, but even worst is the Monahan deal.

If Florida somehow doesn't make the playoffs next year the Flames are going to lose their pick unless it's 1st overall.

That's the worst part about this Markstrom trade, it's nice to see the Flames actually tearing down but the way the Panthers are collapsing in the finals man is there a ton of risk next year. Really hard to watch this all right now.

Is that really the condition?

[Vinny01]

Seems to be a classic Conroy trade. Don’t love it at first glance but once it has been digested seems like an okay deal. Bahl fits a nice need. I remember he was a huge piece the Devils coveted when they traded Hall to the Coyotes.

I really wanted the 10th pick and would have been fine had the Flames included 28th overall or retained even more. I doubt the Devils have any issues with the protection next year as I think they will be a top team

[Savvy27]

I don't understand the kneejerk negative reaction about Bahl. He just finished his 23 year old season and progressed very steadily playing 7 then 17 then 42, and finally a full slate of 82 games.

He's got great size and looks to be a very good defensive player. His underlying numbers look pretty good as he had a 51.87 xGF% which was 5th on the Devils for D who played over 200 minutes. His actual goals for % is third on the Devils D at 49.21% and that's with goalies save percentage being under .900 when he was on the ice at 5 on 5.

I really doubt that he has topped out for his potential in his first full season in the NHL. Huska has coached a lot of solid defensemen in his career and I expect that he'll be able to get more out of Bahl as he enters his prime. Hopefully he can show some chemistry with Andersson and allow Rasmus to play a little more offensively.

I'm pretty happy with the trade. As good as Markstrom was, he was pretty inconsistent in his time with the Flames and I don't think that the fanbase really connected with him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Is that really the condition?

Nope

Here is the Cole’s notes:

Flames get the Panthers from the Tkachuk trade if it is not in the top 10. If it is in the top 10 the Habs will get the Flames pick unless it is 1st overall.

If both picks are outside the top 10 the Habs get the highest of the 2 so Calgary could give up the 11th pick if that is where theirs lands

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Matty81

This whole rebuild is such a cluster#### because of Treliving.

The Huberdeau deal is one of the biggest screwups in recent league history, but even worst is the Monahan deal.

If Florida somehow doesn't make the playoffs next year the Flames are going to lose their pick unless it's 1st overall.

That's the worst part about this Markstrom trade, it's nice to see the Flames actually tearing down but the way the Panthers are collapsing in the finals man is there a ton of risk next year. Really hard to watch this all right now.

You think the Panthers will fall so badly they pick top 10 next year?

[Robbob]

At the end of the day Conroy did well considering Markstrom was in the drivers seat steering this to NJ. Had another team been in it, I am sure the value would have been more what we were expecting.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Icon

I wish they wouldn't have rushed out to re-up Huberdeau so fast after the trade. Seeing how he did for the year / leaving the option open to flip him at the deadline would have been fine. But there were fan/media optics of the wheels falling off for the Flames with everyone leaving that they had to nip in the bud I guess.

The Monahan deal was just bad and more knee-jerk reaction to try to silence the masses by moving some cap & bringing in a big fish free agent. Kadri hasn't been terrible but I think most would have been fine with Monahan still here since the moves, instead of Kadri (plus the extra cap space, and draft pick).

I was thinking about this. If the Flames can acquire a first round pick for Kadri.. does that neutralize that trade?

At the moment, I think the Flames can absolutely get a 1st for Kadri right now. Even with the $7 MM cap with an increase in salary cap.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1803465528620597407

So, Bahl sucks. He's big, and sucks.

So, if I'm reading this correctly a WAR of 33% is pretty good for a bottom pairing defenseman (assuming you have 6-defensemen, this would make him a #5?) and he is a defense-only player. Seems like a useful piece actually.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

10th overall or we riot… in Edmonton.

I'm booking a bus, who is in? I figure we start on Whyte and make our way towards Ice District.

JK, I like the trade.

[BaconGuy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1803465528620597407

So, Bahl sucks. He's big, and sucks. Third pairing defenceman who takes penalties.

Remember Jfresh uses 3 year weighted averages. That is a pretty hefty Defensive jump on the 3rd year on a team that was not defensive at all. Extremely promising for us

[Titan2]

To Photon: good job keeping the site stable with a big trade!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Meers

Bahl’s fine and the first will help out in three or four years. But, next season will be painful.

The Flames need a top 5 pick. Plus that Montreal/Monahan deal gets a whole lot less bad if the Flames are awful and Florida is good.

Until Wolf makes a big jump forward, this team is going to be horrendously bad. Markstrom was getting a lot of criticism, but this last season he was the only reason the Flames were in many of the games they were. His .905 SV% was not reflective of his play, which was much better than the not so great team in front influenced his stats to be.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

Glad the Flames are continuing to ship out the malcontents. Markstom had to go. Getting a first rounder and a young NHL defenceman for an aging inconsistent goalie is good asset management. Not a slam dunk win, but the right thing to do.

To me, Markstrom will always be the Flames goalie who made Trevor Kidd and Brian Elliott look like a strong playoff performers. The way he quit on this team during the Edmonton series pretty much killed any goodwill from me. He never seemed to get up for big games including against our top rivals. Of all the guys we shipped out this year this is the one guy that deserves unrelenting boos from Flames fans.

I think that's totally untrue and he can't take even 10% of the blame on those losses in that series. There were quite a few guys hurt on the D. Guys like Hanifin, Tkachuk, and Gaudreau kind of evaporated and were passengers in that series. Big Z, Mange, and Tanev were already injured from the Dallas series. If Markstrom was playing that badly, the other to blame was Sutter for not having any trust with Vladar (or maybe his hip injury was already existing at that point). can't put the blame solely on Markstrom when the team in front of him ran out of juice from an extremely tough and emotional series prior.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Matty81

This whole rebuild is such a cluster#### because of Treliving.

The Huberdeau deal is one of the biggest screwups in recent league history, but even worst is the Monahan deal.

If Florida somehow doesn't make the playoffs next year the Flames are going to lose their pick unless it's 1st overall.

That's the worst part about this Markstrom trade, it's nice to see the Flames actually tearing down but the way the Panthers are collapsing in the finals man is there a ton of risk next year. Really hard to watch this all right now.

No, it’s if Florida gets a top ten pick. I’m not worried

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I reported back at the deadline the offer was a 2025 1st protected and Holtz, I believe the Flames substituted Bahl here as they value him more and didn't really want another winger. That's a solid return for Markstrom.

Actually sorry no you didn't. You reported what reputable insiders already reported.

That offer was already out when you reported it, not before...so why are you pretending that you reported it?

[868904]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1803465528620597407

So, Bahl sucks. He's big, and sucks. Third pairing defenceman who takes penalties.

Lol, that's all you got out of it?

I mean, the high marks for defense and quality of competition are good too, no?

I mean, the game isn't ALL offense.

[DoubleK]

Would have preferred to keep Bahl and have moved Holtz.

The big question is if 2025 1st and Bahl is all it took to get Markstrom and retention, why didn't this get done at the TDL?

That's a total headscratcher for me.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Nope

I'd love for you to be right but you're not.

https://www.capfriendly.com/draft/2025?pick=5

If Calgary doesn't get Florida's 2025 pick, Montreal gets ours unless it's 1st overall.

https://www.capfriendly.com/draft/2025?pick=13

Calgary only gets Florida's 2025 pick if it is not a lottery pick, we would then get their 2026 pick instead.

Basically if Florida misses the playoffs their pick doesn't transfer to us and Montreal gets our pick instead.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1803465528620597407

So, Bahl sucks. He's big, and sucks. Third pairing defenceman who takes penalties.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420393578308718597

This was Zadorov's "JFresh" card after we acquired him from Chicago.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Bader puts up his analysis that shows he thought Bahl had a 16% chance of being a NHL dman and Bahl actually is a NHL dman. Not sure I would trust his model as much based on that one slide.

Why?

Nothing you pointed out in any way cast any doubt on his model... So it said that he had a 16% chance of being an NHL, all that means is that he's one of the reasons that it's 16% and not 0%.