Tij Iginla ranked No. 10 overall by Bob McKenzie for 2024 NHL Draft

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Stuff like that has already been considered by those people evaluating him. It's part of the valuation process.

Some do and some don't pay much mind to it. It's a matter of degree. The hockey prospecting model is built on the premise that teams overvalue size and undervalue age.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Your point is that no matter what they should pick Tij second overall because he could be the 2nd best player? Reaching massively for him would be a bad look. Move down if they will take him anywhere.

No my point had nothing to do with Tij. It's about the draft in general and that every single year fans think they know who should be taken when and overreact when it doesn't happen.

Then you look back on the draft years later and see how wrong everybody was in many cases so overreacting on draft day is a fools folly.

I don't think Tij should or will go 2nd overall based on what we know now, but 10 years from now people might look back and go "holy crap, Tij would actually go 1st overall in a redraft because he's had the best career of anyone in that draft" so if someone takes him 2nd overall maybe time will prove them right even though everyone will think they're looney and should be fired when it happens.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't think Tij should or will go 2nd overall based on what we know now, but 10 years from now people might look back and go "holy crap, Tij would actually go 1st overall in a redraft because he's had the best career of anyone in that draft" so if someone takes him 2nd overall maybe time will prove them right even though everyone will think they're looney and should be fired when it happens.

You can put any player basically in this narrative.

[browntrout]

I don't think he will be available by the time the flames pick, with that last name and his recent play, he is getting selected alot earlier

[bdubbs]

I want Tij as much as the next guy but Demidov would be my pick at 2.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You can put any player basically in this narrative.

Exactly.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by browntrout

I don't think he will be available by the time the flames pick, with that last name and his recent play, he is getting selected alot earlier

I have yet to see a reputable draft guru have him go alot earlier than 9, or even before 9 for that matter. His recent play was he was great against a weak 1st round opponent and was a non factor against a stronger one. It will be interesting to see what he does at U18, he could improve his draft position with a strong showing there but as of right now I don't see him being off the board if we select at 9.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You can put any player basically in this narrative.

Mark Jankowski was supposed be that

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have yet to see a reputable draft guru have him go alot earlier than 9, or even before 9 for that matter. His recent play was he was great against a weak 1st round opponent and was a non factor against a stronger one. It will be interesting to see what he does at U18, he could improve his draft position with a strong showing there but as of right now I don't see him being off the board if we select at 9.

There isn't a lot separating the players in the 4-12 range from what I've read and from what I've seen.

I don't think there's really much of a potential for any pick to be viewed as a reach unless the Flames go off the board big time, and really, there's plenty of room to do that if the pick in the 25-28 range from the Canucks hasn't been moved.

To me the 9th pick this year is a safe bet to land a top 6F or top 4D talent that could turn into much more, so stick with your board and make the pick.

[CalgarySames]

My only concern with Tij is that we are fairly loaded up on the wings. If the plan is to give Zary a full season at center to see if he can make the cut there, it still leaves us pretty loaded on the top 6. Huberdeau, Kuzmenko, Sharangovich, Coronato (hopefully he gets some real time with Huberdeau to build chemistry next season). Pelletier is still in the wings and he has middle 6 potential. Mangiapane and Coleman seem to be permanent fixtures on the third line. And Pospisil had success on the 2nd line, but that's also on a bad team, and realistically he is a 4th line winger mayber 3rd line at best. I could see Kuzmenko or Sharangovich being traded if they continue trending upward. Iginla could end up seeing a couple years development before joining the big club. This club had need at center, and there are some very good defensive prospects projected in the 7-11 spot. I can't imagine Catton or Lindstrom dropping to 9th overall, and though I like Helenius more than most, but I doubt management would agree with me to takehim over Iginla.

[Arsenal14]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have yet to see a reputable draft guru have him go alot earlier than 9, or even before 9 for that matter. His recent play was he was great against a weak 1st round opponent and was a non factor against a stronger one. It will be interesting to see what he does at U18, he could improve his draft position with a strong showing there but as of right now I don't see him being off the board if we select at 9.

I'll let you decide for yourself regarding how reputable they are but the most recent rankings I have are:

5 - Upside
6 - Elite Prospects
8 - Dobber Prospects
9 - Smaht Scouting
10 - Sportsnet (Cosentino), Sandman, Craig Button
11 - Hockey News (Ferrari), Daily Faceoff, Sportsnet (Bukala), Hockey News (Kennedy)
12 - McKeen's
13 - Baracchini
15 - Athletic (Pronman), Athletic (Wheeler)
16 - McKenzie
23 - Future Considerations

All of these are the most recent rankings, usually in the last month. The two lowest rankings are the oldest, from January/February. Certainly doesn't seem to be a stretch to say he could be gone when we pick at 9 or 10. A strong U18 would make it much more likely but right now it's not crazy.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by browntrout

I don't think he will be available by the time the flames pick, with that last name and his recent play, he is getting selected alot earlier

I'm not sure why people keep saying this as the consensus is that he's not a top 10 prospect in this draft. Sure he could be picked before 9 but you could say that for Yakemchuk, Connelly, Buium, Helenius, etc that are on the top 10 bubble as well.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Arsenal14

I'll let you decide for yourself regarding how reputable they are but the most recent rankings I have are:

5 - Upside
6 - Elite Prospects
8 - Dobber Prospects
9 - Smaht Scouting
10 - Sportsnet (Cosentino), Sandman, Craig Button
11 - Hockey News (Ferrari), Daily Faceoff, Sportsnet (Bukala), Hockey News (Kennedy)
12 - McKeen's
13 - Baracchini
15 - Athletic (Pronman), Athletic (Wheeler)
16 - McKenzie
23 - Future Considerations

All of these are the most recent rankings, usually in the last month. The two lowest rankings are the oldest, from January/February. Certainly doesn't seem to be a stretch to say he could be gone when we pick at 9 or 10. A strong U18 would make it much more likely but right now it's not crazy.

Just a note that Pronman has Iginla at 16 on his list and Wheeler 15 on his list. They are separate lists. I like the McKenzie list best because it's an aggregate list from NHL scouts and takes a little personal bias out of the equation.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Just a note that Pronman has Iginla at 16 on his list and Wheeler 15 on his list. They are separate lists. I like the McKenzie list best because it's an aggregate list from NHL scouts and takes a little personal bias out of the equation.

Did you mean to say McKeen's? Isn't McKenzie just Bob McKenzie's list?

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Did you mean to say McKeen's? Isn't McKenzie just Bob McKenzie's list?

Bob McKenzie surveys 10 NHL scouts to assemble his list

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Bob McKenzie surveys 10 NHL scouts to assemble his list

Oh, I always thought his list was actually from him. Only 10 scouts though? Are they all from Toronto and area?

[Arsenal14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Just a note that Pronman has Iginla at 16 on his list and Wheeler 15 on his list. They are separate lists. I like the McKenzie list best because it's an aggregate list from NHL scouts and takes a little personal bias out of the equation.

Pronman had him 16 in March so maybe that's the list you're looking at?

Pronman from April 17:
https://theathletic.com/5417359/2024...ini-levshunov/

Wheeler from March 25:
https://theathletic.com/5326639/2024...p-64-prospects

McKenzie is a good list, but he only updates a few times a season so his January ranking is it until right before the draft in June.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CalgarySames

My only concern with Tij is that we are fairly loaded up on the wings. If the plan is to give Zary a full season at center to see if he can make the cut there, it still leaves us pretty loaded on the top 6. Huberdeau, Kuzmenko, Sharangovich, Coronato (hopefully he gets some real time with Huberdeau to build chemistry next season). Pelletier is still in the wings and he has middle 6 potential. Mangiapane and Coleman seem to be permanent fixtures on the third line. And Pospisil had success on the 2nd line, but that's also on a bad team, and realistically he is a 4th line winger mayber 3rd line at best. I could see Kuzmenko or Sharangovich being traded if they continue trending upward. Iginla could end up seeing a couple years development before joining the big club. This club had need at center, and there are some very good defensive prospects projected in the 7-11 spot. I can't imagine Catton or Lindstrom dropping to 9th overall, and though I like Helenius more than most, but I doubt management would agree with me to takehim over Iginla.

I didn't think any of that matters. Look at the roster from 3 years ago and compare to today. It's irrelevant what today's roster looks like

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Oh, I always thought his list was actually from him. Only 10 scouts though? Are they all from Toronto and area?

the impression I get is that it is 10 scouts or executives from 10 different teams; it may be the head scout or an area scout. He does not say, but if you read through past lists, he will say something like "a head scout from an NHL team had this to say about ..." or "one club executive said ..."

[stemit14]

Will be an interesting draft for flames fans to follow Bob McKenzie’s tweets. The last few drafts he seems to know exactly who the team that’s on the clock is about to pick before they make it to the podium. He sometimes drops some cryptic tweets as hints seconds before… sometimes he just says who they will take. If he tweets something like “Sorry flames fans” leading up to any picks before Calgary… that would likely mean Tij is being selected before the flames get their shot.