Teachers are at the end of their rope.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Do people actually think catholic schools indoctrinate kids with Catholic ideology?

I don’t recall ever doing anything religious at all at school ever. Never stepped foot in a church, was never asked to or encouraged to pray or believe etc. I don’t recall doing anything remotely religious except religious studies…where we learned about world religions, not Catholicism.

On the other hand, my school had better teachers, sports and programs than the public option available to me at the time.

Seems like people hoping for the better education minus the indoctrination already got their wish.

Not sure how old you are but that wasn't my experience at all. Confirmation was done through the school. There were school assemblies that were faith based. I think I saw Bishop Henry speak about 10 times all through school activities. My religion teachers in high school were clearly slanted towards Catholicism. One even told me I was going nowhere in life because I didn't take Catholicism seriously lol

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Sliver

…BTW, I have an arts degree. I'm not here to #### on anybody's degree - they're all accomplishments and none of them are easy.

What is an Arts degree, exactly? What prompts young people to dedicate 4-5 years if their life to obtaining one? Unless they see it as an easier step to getting into a law school… Why would anyone want to be “degree’d” in Arts? I’ve always been puzzled by this. What prompted you, Sliver?

[PeteMoss]

Why do people get so triggered by what teachers make and their time off?

I would probably drive my car off a cliff if I had to spend one day of my life deal with 20-30 kids or teenagers by myself. Their work probably helps drive 15% of the economy just by getting kids out of the way so their parents can work.

Just seems like a weird thing for people to get all bent out of shape about.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

What is an Arts degree, exactly? What prompts young people to dedicate 4-5 years if their life to obtaining one? Unless they see it as an easier step to getting into a law school… Why would anyone want to be “degree’d” in Arts? I’ve always been puzzled by this. What prompted you, Sliver?

I was really good at writing and bad at everything else, so I pursued an English degree. Went into corporate communications and investor relations after university and it has worked out well.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

What is an Arts degree, exactly? What prompts young people to dedicate 4-5 years if their life to obtaining one? Unless they see it as an easier step to getting into a law school… Why would anyone want to be “degree’d” in Arts? I’ve always been puzzled by this. What prompted you, Sliver?

The world would suck so bad if it was full of engineers and BComms. Good god. Imagine how bad all of our lives would be. The Arts folks are what make life worth living.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Why do people get so triggered by what teachers make and their time off?

I would probably drive my car off a cliff if I had to spend one day of my life deal with 20-30 kids or teenagers by myself. Their work probably helps drive 15% of the economy just by getting kids out of the way so their parents can work.

Just seems like a weird thing for people to get all bent out of shape about.

I think teachers have a tough job, but do get compensated fairly. I don't begrudge them for the summers off or the retirement benefits, as that's part of the benefits of the job, and they deserve it. But what does get a little tiring is the sometimes sensational "woe is me" reporting, such as this thread title. I get it, you work outside school hours to course prep, there's extra curricular requirements, etc . But guess what? That's why you get all the summer time off too. So as much as I don't begrudge the extra holidays, I also have little sympathy for the "extra" hours put in after kids are off core school hours.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Why do people get so triggered by what teachers make and their time off?

I would probably drive my car off a cliff if I had to spend one day of my life deal with 20-30 kids or teenagers by myself. Their work probably helps drive 15% of the economy just by getting kids out of the way so their parents can work.

Just seems like a weird thing for people to get all bent out of shape about.

This is how these threads always go.

1) A teacher or someone close to a teacher complains about their situation (ie Teachers are at the end of their rope).

2) Other people remark that teaching is actually quite a good job by most metrics.

3) Yet other people interpret “teachers have good jobs” as “teachers suck and I hate them!” They also seem to have entirely lost the thread of the conversation by assuming it started at stage 2.

It’s the last stage that I don’t get. How is saying a job is good an attack on people who perform that job?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I think teachers have a tough job, but do get compensated fairly. I don't begrudge them for the summers off or the retirement benefits, as that's part of the benefits of the job, and they deserve it. But what does get a little tiring is the sometimes sensational "woe is me" reporting, such as this thread title. I get it, you work outside school hours to course prep, there's extra curricular requirements, etc . But guess what? That's why you get all the summer time off too. So as much as I don't begrudge the extra holidays, I also have little sympathy for the "extra" hours put in after kids are off core school hours.

Farmers are well compensated - depending on what they do - they can get a lot of time off during the non-growing season.

They get the same media attention - too hot, too cold, too rainy, have to pay people too much, can't beat up the migrant workers anymore.

But rarely do I see threads complaining about them.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Farmers are well compensated - depending on what they do - they can get a lot of time off during the non-growing season.

They get the same media attention - too hot, too cold, too rainy, have to pay people too much, can't beat up the migrant workers anymore.

But rarely do I see threads complaining about them.

Well...in fairness...we are also heavily skewed as a middle-aged, educated, Urban office-work demographic here.

If you went to some 'Farmers R Us' or 4H site or something you might get more nuanced discussions about farming.

Everything I know about farming I learned from Jeremy Clarkson...

I mean thats not entirely true, I have a number of clients who are farmers and I understand certain elements of the profession fairly well but I'd hardly consider myself knowledgeable enough to weigh in on that.

Whereas Teachers, and the Education system in general? Lets be honest. We've all gone through school. We've experienced it. We know these people in our day-to-day lives, have kids going through the system, etc. Its far closer to our monkeysphere than farming is.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is how these threads always go.

1) A teacher or someone close to a teacher complains about their situation (ie Teachers are at the end of their rope).

2) Other people remark that teaching is actually quite a good job by most metrics.

3) Yet other people interpret “teachers have good jobs” as “teachers suck and I hate them!” They also seem to have entirely lost the thread of the conversation by assuming it started at stage 2.

It’s the last stage that I don’t get. How is saying a job is good an attack on people who perform that job?

Yeah, I always get lost on that part, too. They get really angry when you say it's a good job. "If It'S sO gReAt WhY aReN't YoU a TeAcHeR?" usually pops up by this point, too. Well, I didn't know it was so great when I went into university at 19...had I known then what I know now I likely would have.

We're encouraging our kids to be teachers and it's my daughter's goal in life. She's had a pretend little class she's been teaching since she was little. She still makes fake lesson plans and she's fricken 17.

So yeah, don't hate teachers. I think it's a great career. The pay is very good (six figures) and the time off is unrivaled. Aaaaand in the mind of some teachers (not all: shout-out Malcolm), that makes me an #######.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Farmers are well compensated - depending on what they do - they can get a lot of time off during the non-growing season.

They get the same media attention - too hot, too cold, too rainy, have to pay people too much, can't beat up the migrant workers anymore.

But rarely do I see threads complaining about them.

But nobody's complaining about teachers; this thread was started by a teacher complaining lol.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I think what gets the pro-teacher crowd worked up (myself included) are when the discussion shifts to misinformation such as "part time work, gold plated pension, can't get fired" tropes.

To be fair, there hasn't been much of that. There hasn't been much of anything frankly and I am surprised we made it 20 pages.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

What is an Arts degree, exactly? What prompts young people to dedicate 4-5 years if their life to obtaining one? Unless they see it as an easier step to getting into a law school… Why would anyone want to be “degree’d” in Arts? I’ve always been puzzled by this. What prompted you, Sliver?

Is this a real question?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Farmers are well compensated - depending on what they do - they can get a lot of time off during the non-growing season.

They get the same media attention - too hot, too cold, too rainy, have to pay people too much, can't beat up the migrant workers anymore.

But rarely do I see threads complaining about them.

You've missed my posts about how they pay property taxes on a 90% discounted property value compared to everyone else in Alberta?

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well...in fairness...we are also heavily skewed as a middle-aged, educated, Urban office-work demographic here.

If you went to some 'Farmers R Us' or 4H site or something you might get more nuanced discussions about farming.

Everything I know about farming I learned from Jeremy Clarkson...

I mean thats not entirely true, I have a number of clients who are farmers and I understand certain elements of the profession fairly well but I'd hardly consider myself knowledgeable enough to weigh in on that.

Whereas Teachers, and the Education system in general? Lets be honest. We've all gone through school. We've experienced it. We know these people in our day-to-day lives, have kids going through the system, etc. Its far closer to our monkeysphere than farming is.

I said this earlier (and was then told it wasn't a valid reason to have an opinion on the matter)...

We all went to school and, it seems like, a vast majority of us have kids that are in or have been through school... On that basis, it's possibly the most relatable profession there is. But then, because there are so many different, personal interactions, everyone's experiencing the same thing, but differently, so it only makes sense that so many have something to say.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by you&me

I said this earlier (and was then told it wasn't a valid reason to have an opinion on the matter)...

We all went to school and, it seems like, a vast majority of us have kids that are in or have been through school... On that basis, it's possibly the most relatable profession there is. But then, because there are so many different, personal interaction, everyone's experiencing the same thing, but differently, so it only makes sense that so many have something to say.

This is true, and also, most of CP is relatively employed and our Tax Dollars also go to fund this.

I've said this a million times as well...99% of people have no problems or qualms with paying their taxes...until they watch their Government waste it.

And in the day-to-day operations of our Education system, some teachers are a problem. Who doesnt have useless lunkheads in any workplace?

Most of them are not the problem. But almost unanimously I'd wager that if you polled Teachers their biggest gripe would be with Administrative BS.

Thats where we're sinking useless dollars. Thats what is sponging up resources that should and could be more effectively directed elsewhere.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Why do people get so triggered by what teachers make and their time off?

I would probably drive my car off a cliff if I had to spend one day of my life deal with 20-30 kids or teenagers by myself. Their work probably helps drive 15% of the economy just by getting kids out of the way so their parents can work.

Just seems like a weird thing for people to get all bent out of shape about.

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Farmers are well compensated - depending on what they do - they can get a lot of time off during the non-growing season.

They get the same media attention - too hot, too cold, too rainy, have to pay people too much, can't beat up the migrant workers anymore.

But rarely do I see threads complaining about them.

Where's that Jim Carrey "who are you talking to?" gif when you need it.

I mean sorry let me back up. Totally man. Good points. It's exactly like how in this very thread all those people complaining about plumbers. Exact same thing.

[DFO]

I thought the thread was for bitching about pensions?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

This is true, and also, most of CP is relatively employed and our Tax Dollars also go to fund this.

I've said this a million times as well...99% of people have no problems or qualms with paying their taxes...until they watch their Government waste it.

And in the day-to-day operations of our Education system, some teachers are a problem. Who doesnt have useless lunkheads in any workplace?

Most of them are not the problem. But almost unanimously I'd wager that if you polled Teachers their biggest gripe would be with Administrative BS.

Thats where we're sinking useless dollars. Thats what is sponging up resources that should and could be more effectively directed elsewhere.

You’re supposed to be using that vague argument for the healthcare system, not the education one. If you go to that well too many times and start applying it universally to everything publicly funded it’ll be much easier for people to see it for what it is and stop falling for it. That’s going to piss off the private healthcare lobbyist because they’re gonna need to find a new scam.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

You’re supposed to be using that vague argument for the healthcare system, not the education one. If you go to that well too many times and start applying it universally to everything publicly funded it’ll be much easier for people to see it for what it is and stop falling for it. That’s going to piss off the private healthcare lobbyist because they’re gonna need to find a new scam.

Its a pretty good argument for a lot of Government agencies, but I still feel that there is validity there.

And as for the 'Private Health Care' people? They can shove it.

People who want Privatized Health Care are out of their goddamned minds.

They want Private Health Care? Go South then. You can get it if you want it.