[Rumour] Toffoli, Lindholm, Backlund, and Hanifin unlikely to re-sign

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

This isn't shocking news.

If I was a player - even if I liked the Calgary and wanted to stay - why would I sign a year before my contract was up and a year before the cap goes way up.

Outside of Toffoli reporting - there is mainly just reporting about guys not wanting to sign extensions vs them wanting out.

It would be easier to get players to commit if the cap wasn't flat this year and then likely going way up next year.

Yep, and on the flip side of this I also understand and believe the organization is right in their thinking that they need commitment sooner rather than later, otherwise they have to maximize the asset.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

This isn't shocking news.

If I was a player - even if I liked the Calgary and wanted to stay - why would I sign a year before my contract was up and a year before the cap goes way up.

Outside of Toffoli reporting - there is mainly just reporting about guys not wanting to sign extensions vs them wanting out.

It would be easier to get players to commit if the cap wasn't flat this year and then likely going way up next year.

This is a good distinction

It might be a case of them unlikely to re-sign by the Flames' deadline to the offers currently on the table, more than rejecting Calgary as a whole.

Only Toffoli was explicitly said to be seeking a trade out of town (because he wouldn't get the term he wanted here).

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Freidman Johnston and Steinberg all have said Lindholm is still open to staying the only one who is saying otherwise is TMZ Frank.

Frank is has been embarrassed this week with claims of Brodie being bought out and having to walk it back.

Dreger Freidman Marek and Steinberg all have the other 3 not wanting to sign.

Those guys also had Huska as our top candidate while Frank had Mitch Love as the coach.

Given the mass exodus of players it's hard to imagine Lindholm is really open to staying if he's really interested in winning as selling off a lot of your better players isn't conducive to winning. I get the feeling if the door is still open it's based on him getting massively overpaid and that's it.

[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1671905205468766209

This just isn’t a guy you want to commit 8 years and roughly $70M to for a contract that would take him into the 2nd half of his 30s.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1671909275776499713

Lindholm isn’t a Tkachuk or Gaudreau level player. I’ve moved to outright not wanting him to sign an extension and think that us bellowing about it just shows how poorly this roster is constructed as it stands.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I wonder how Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar are feeling about Treliving and the team at this point. They certainly got paid, but were probably sold by Tre on the idea of a winner. Less than a year later team is looking more like the OceanGate Flames and they'll be riding out the last good years of their careers going through a rebuild on a prarie province team playing in an ancient arena with a critical Canadian fanbase.

This is an interesting question. I think it's fair to say that at least Huby, Kadri and Weegar didn't convince the old crew to re-sign but maybe there was also a rift last year in the team? There was some report about some being in the Sutter camp and others not.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It’s not a problem, it’s timing.

Even if they all came back at discounted rates, they weren’t good enough to make it last year. Everyone is a year older and slower. There is no help coming, and any move they could make would not return a player who’d get them any closer to contention.

Toffoli has 2 cups. Backlund and Lindholm have never been out of the 2nd round. Tanev’s been to a final.

These guys have already gotten paid, they have their generational wealth secured.

They want to win.

They don’t see this roster, with Kadri and Huberdeau as the other “best players” as capable of winning within the next two or three years, which is their window.

And neither does anyone else. You don’t. I don’t. The coach doesn’t. The GM doesn’t. Hell, Murray probably doesn’t.

They’re not good enough. They don’t have enough good players, and the ones they do have are the wrong age. They had a window, maybe, with Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

They don’t anymore. It’s over. They missed.

That’s okay. They tried harder than anyone could reasonably have expected them to.

But it’s time.

Sorry, when has Tanev been to a final?

[Erick Estrada]

I've always been lukewarm with Lindholm as a long term 1st line center as to me he's a solid center that's highly dependant on skilled wingers for offensive production. I think he's good enough that in the 2nd half of the contract he would be a fine 3rd line center but I don't think his salary will look great then and the Flames would be stuck with $7 million (Kadri) and $8+ million for their 3rd and 4th line centers which is probably going to be pretty crippling.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Sorry, when has Tanev been to a final?

His rookie year in Vancouver, sat out most of the playoffs but played a few games in the final round vs Boston

[Zarley]

Damn. Should have kept Sutter.

[NewFan]

I think Lindholm will sign the big contract. If he traded to other team he needs to earn the same contract next season. So even he wants out it's the max money he can earn rest of his career.
But for me, we better trade him and get best return now than to trade him with the big contract.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think Lindholm will sign the big contract. If he traded to other team he needs to earn the same contract next season. So even he wants out it's the max money he can earn rest of his career.
But for me, we better trade him and get best return now than to trade him with the big contract.

I think any team that trades for him will be signing him to a contract shortly after.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Damn. Should have kept Sutter.

No. He earned his firing.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Here's the thing...there were two okay outcomes:

All of them stay on reasonable deals

Or

All of them leave and you trade them now

Worst case was the mushy middle where some guys stay, which causes them not to trade anyone, and then people walk as UFAs.

The team is at a crossroads and being forced to actually trade these pieces and rebuild / retool is a good outcome too.

And I'd say that same equation works from the players side too.

Guys that had little to say a week ago are now hinting an exit because we have heard Hanifin is out, and Lindholm is likely out.

Why sign this summer if a team is taking a step back.

Could be more to it, but my guess is this isn't a locker room issue, hatred for the team or the city ... it's prisoner's dilemma.

If some are going they will all want to.

If all indications were that Lindholm/Hanifin were resigning they all would be looking to reup.

Flames likely saved by the two guys picked up in the Hamilton trade. The alternate road would have been a very locked down aging hockey team.

[ComixZone]

On 32 Thoughts, Friedman:

Hanifin - let it be known he wants to return the USA. Flames never got to the stage where they offered a deal.

Lindholm - as far as he knows (as of Thursday night), they don't have an answer from him. It's Bo Horvat money, and Lindholm wants to know they'll be in a position to win.

Backlund - I think they've offered him the Captaincy, but they aren't close on contract negotiations.

Toffoli - Flames were not close on contract negotiations.

General notes:
- Flames are being very tight on term when it comes to negotiations with players. Impacted Backlund and Toffoli.
- Flames are letting Hanifin/Lindholm decisions make THE decisions
- Speculates Flames will be interested in Duclair
- Friedman weighs in: I don't think the players got along well. Factions may have been it, but believes yes - the mix in the room is wrong.
- Marek and Friedman believe things could be pretty wild heading towards the draft/at the draft given WPG, CGY, and PHI

[rogermexico]

I think that after watching Ryan Suter fall off a cliff, Dallas would love to add a Hanifin.

[Party Elephant]

Will today be another day of constantly refreshing FOI?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Treliving takes the blame for this more than Murray. Multiple sources had Gaudreau willing to re-sign before his last season here but Treliving got cute and then the exodus started. You can also go back to him signing Neal and Frolik and giving Tkachuk a bridge.

Murray probably takes the blame for forcing Sutter onto the team but Tre blew the coaching hires as well.

That's a lot assumptive work there.

We don't know what was on the table from either party the year he before he left (coming off a poor season).
We don't know if Treliving recommended signing him and Edwards said no.
Maybe Edwards liked the idea of signing him and Treliving advised otherwise.
Did Edwards hire Sutter? Or was that Treliving?
Did Tkachuk plan on leaving with the bridge or was it covid and family?
Did Tkachuk leave because of Sutter which might have been an Edwards hire?

And Frolik was a solid free agent signing, if you want to witch hunt Treliving not sure that's the ammo you are looking for.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I like that they are being difficult in negotiations. If the only reason you want to stay here is to get overpaid from FMV send them packing.

If you want to be here you should be signing a fair deal not a discount but not being overpaid.

Feels like what Johnny did last year took us to the last second and kept getting us to up the offer and screwed us in the end.

The thing with Backlund is as well he asked for a trade the last two years. Is he really committed.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And I'd say that same equation works from the players side too.

Guys that had little to say a week ago are now hinting an exit because we have heard Hanifin is out, and Lindholm is likely out.

Why sign this summer if a team is taking a step back.

Could be more to it, but my guess is this isn't a locker room issue, hatred for the team or the city ... it's prisoner's dilemma.

If some are going they will all want to.

If all indications were that Lindholm/Hanifin were resigning they all would be looking to reup.

Flames likely saved by the two guys picked up in the Hamilton trade. The alternate road would have been a very locked down aging hockey team.

Teams lose players, including stars, all the time without triggering an exodus. I don't see current events happening without a shared lack of belief in each other and the future making for a weak sense of attachment to the group. It looks like they are/have not been much of a team in the purer sense of the word, which is also how it looked throughout the last season.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's a lot assumptive work there.

We don't know what was on the table from either party the year he before he left (coming off a poor season).
We don't know if Treliving recommended signing him and Edwards said no.
Maybe Edwards liked the idea of signing him and Treliving advised otherwise.
Did Edwards hire Sutter? Or was that Treliving?
Did Tkachuk plan on leaving with the bridge or was it covid and family?
Did Tkachuk leave because of Sutter which might have been an Edwards hire?

And Frolik was a solid free agent signing, if you want to witch hunt Treliving not sure that's the ammo you are looking for.

It is all assumptive but Treliving is getting a lot of hand waving away from the problems that he managed the team into because of Murray. He had bad coaching hires and bad UFA signings. Frolik was fine as a free agent signing but he had already saddled the team with the Brouwer and Neal signings.

I think he is decent GM but he has to take the majority of tge blame on how the team was structured and its current state.