[PGT] Losers gonna lose!!

[Paulie Walnuts]

I have been on Sutter all season and I don't think you can bring him back but with that said you can't fire Sutter and allow a person like Kadri to remain on the team it sends the wrong message.

People have been down on a lot of players this season but for all the flak Huberdeau Mangiapane etc get you can't question they caring. What happened last night with Kadri has been a ongoing issue all season. Selfish play, poor defensive effort, lazy shifts and last night it was on full display and he sunk the teams playoff chances.

Its pretty evident hes quit on Sutter and I think Sutter can see it as well with his look of disgust on the bench. We cannot continue with him on the team he quit on the coach and also the team on the ice with guys with multiple injuries still giving a eff. Watching him after the game and not taking any responsibility shows his true lack of character and mentality.

Kadri is gotta go, and no point this season has he showed he has cared I have seen zero fire and passion. People said he had a good start but the start was just numbers his game was supposed to be bring much more to the table and he has been a complete and utter bust.

The fact he made me feel sorry for Sutter last night says it all. Get him off the team anyway you can there is no rebounding for that guy in Calgary.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I have been on Sutter all season and I don't think you can bring him back but with that said you can't fire Sutter and allow a person like Kadri to remain on the team it sends the wrong message.

People have been down on a lot of players this season but for all the flak Huberdeau Mangiapane etc get you can't question they caring. What happened last night with Kadri has been a ongoing issue all season. Selfish play, poor defensive effort, lazy shifts and last night it was on full display and he sunk the teams playoff chances.

Its pretty evident hes quit on Sutter and I think Sutter can see it as well with his look of disgust on the bench. We cannot continue with him on the team he quit on the coach and also the team on the ice with guys with multiple injuries still giving a eff. Watching him after the game and not taking any responsibility shows his true lack of character and mentality.

Kadri is gotta go, and no point this season has he showed he has cared I have seen zero fire and passion. People said he had a good start but the start was just numbers his game was supposed to be bring much more to the table and he has been a complete and utter bust.

The fact he made me feel sorry for Sutter last night says it all. Get him off the team anyway you can there is no rebounding for that guy in Calgary.

It looks like everyone else on the team has bought into what Sutter is preaching minus Kadri and they were winning games. Combine Kadri absolute terrible play with continued poor goaltending last night and here we are. Glad I'm not in charge of fixing it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Kadri is gotta go, and no point this season has he showed he has cared I have seen zero fire.

The fact he made me feel sorry for Sutter last night says it all. Get him off the team anyway you can there is no rebounding for that guy in Calgary.

How much draft capital will you include to move him, because other teams can see what you see?

It’s easy to say “move him”, but come up with some realistic scenario’s.

And don’t forget he has a full NMC, so he controls where he goes.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

How much draft capital will you include to move him, because other teams can see what you see?

It’s easy to say “move him”, but come up with some realistic scenario’s.

And don’t forget he has a full NMC, so he controls where he goes.

Well he if truly dislikes Sutter that much by quitting on the team and him, I would be inclined to bring Sutter back next season just to get rid of this guy.

Everyone is having a rough year minus a few guys but they are still trying, you just can't have that on the team.

If Sutter is back lets see what he does to force his way out.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The only problem I've ever had with Sutter is the grinding, dump and chase element to his gameplan. He once said "give me 12 players like Ronnie Stern, and I'll win the cup" or something to that effect.

The problem with that style of play is that you end up getting the absolute best out of the bottom six, but you hamstring the top six.

I think that is what we are seeing, and the frustration from the top players. Totally predictable. Last year, you saw gadreau and Tkachuk play outside of the system, and what the result was. I think that Sutter feels like Kadri and hubey have not earned the right to play outside of the system, and at this rate they never will.

I feel like Huby of late contradicts the last paragraph. He's been consistently making good passes over the last string of games. I think he's finally starting to settle into the system.

I think now Huby just need to have more offensively skilled linemates to utilize him better.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I feel like Huby of late contradicts the last paragraph. He's been consistently making good passes over the last string of games. I think he's finally starting to settle into the system.

I think now Huby just need to have more offensively skilled line mates to utilize him better.

Maybe we can find a couple of entry level super stars to prop him up so he can earn his 10.5.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

How much draft capital will you include to move him, because other teams can see what you see?

It’s easy to say “move him”, but come up with some realistic scenario’s.

And don’t forget he has a full NMC, so he controls where he goes.

I hope we don't have a Neal #2 on our hands. He said he was going to be better the next season and didn't show up. Regardless of who is coaching I would just bench him until he starts playing.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I hope we don't have a Neal #2 on our hands. He said he was going to be better the next season and didn't show up. Regardless of who is coaching I would just bench him until he starts playing.

I don't think so. I do think we have a classic Sutter issue on our hands though.

I expect a bounce back from pretty much everyone that has underachieved, next season - so long as there is a different coach.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Everyone is having a rough year minus a few guys but they are still trying, you just can't have that on the team.

Yep, the guy needs to put whatever feelings he has for Sutter aside and play for himself and his teammates. I wouldn't want to play with a guy who bails on me because he doesn't like the coach.

If the team isn't going to let Sutter go then you either have to learn to deal with it or you go to Treliving or whoever is the GM and ask for a trade.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I don't think Sutter ever gave Vladar a solid chance to get going. And even then Vladar's results (which are what matters) are hands down better than Markstrom's. Sutter rode Markstrom to an embarrassing elimination against the Oilers, and rode him all year, and rode him the game after he got pulled and his replacement won.

My point is we will never know how the season would have turned out if Sutter played Vladar more, and showed any confidence in him.

Could it be worse than barely missing the playoffs though?

He had 5-6 games in each of November, December, January and February ... that's a pretty good look for a back up (1.5 games per week)

But in February he had a .831 save percentage and a losing record.

That gets you looking back to Markstrom.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I have been on Sutter all season and I don't think you can bring him back but with that said you can't fire Sutter and allow a person like Kadri to remain on the team it sends the wrong message......

Very well said,
I mentioned earlier that I understand what Sutter is trying to do, possible reasons why Markstrom and Mangiapane having off years, why Huberdeau may have needed time to adjust.
Not saying I totally agree, but I can understand the reasoning.
But
Kadri? I dunno

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Dion

"Some of our guys looked like they had flat tires" - Sutter

https://twitter.com/user/status/1643465330713591809

and you're the tow truck with 3 wheels. STFU Sutter!

The only explanation for his terrible coaching this year is that he made a bet with Brent in the off season as to who would be the worst coach in Flames history.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He had 5-6 games in each of November, December, January and February ... that's a pretty good look for a back up (1.5 games per week)

But in February he had a .831 save percentage and a losing record.

That gets you looking back to Markstrom.

But he's winning games. Does that not count for anything?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

But he's winning games. Does that not count for anything?

He won one of four starts in February.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Priority number one should be getting Kadri out of this organization. He quit on his teammates and it’s very clear he’s okay with it.

At 3.5 or 4 million AAV he should be movable.

Maybe Colorado would like him back at a discounted rate

Dead cap sucks but top players who don't care are worse

[D as in David]

Kadri sure didn't "play guilty" like the panel suggested he would during the intermission.

[sa226]

Last year Sutter talked a lot about the Jennings award and how thats really the only regular season award he cares about. Also how its more of a team award than an individual one.

Very curious how he feels about it now. Team defense hasn't been what you'd want for sure, but a shared .892 save percentage? Woof.

Our goalies are sieves.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He won one of four starts in February.

Markstrom won 2 of 6 in February, 1 of 6 in January and 7 of 14 in March. What does that earn?

Vladar has had tougher opponents, more road starts and more sporadic starts. His GAA is better, his save percentage is better and his record is significantly better. Markstrom has not earned a single thing this year and has been given way too much from Sutter.

Markstrom got 14 of 15 starts in March with a stunning .897 save percentage and 2.96 GAA (Vladar is .895 and 2.91 on the season). So basically when Markstrom performs as well as Vladar he has "earned" every start in a month.

I'm not saying Vladar has been great, but he's been the better of the two, and specifically I think Markstrom's inability to show up at the start of games which causes the Flames to chase the entire game is why Vladar's record is so much better...he makes saves early.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He won one of four starts in February.

They both suck but the team plays better for Darth. Look at his record. That's playoffs and maybe tops in the division if he got the games Markstrom played.

[Iggy_12]

Its almost comical that every contract we sign blows up in our face. What was the last good one we signed? Lindholm? Raz? counter that with about 5 horrible ones.

this franchise is a disaster, no one knows the direction, from top to bottom its a circus. Its exhausting cheering for this team, perpetual mediocracy. We deserve better than this