[PGT] Oilers 2 - Flames 1

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by badradio

Flames might have been shooting in quality locations, but a lot of the shots were in low traffic or they take too long to get the shots off… Things that probably can’t be analyzed. One of the biggest things I’ve noticed from this year compared to last year, our top line last year moved that puck fast! Tic-tac-toe plays (minus Johnny setting things up) this is a stark contrast to this year where puck movement is incredibly slow, they are passing it around with no urgency looking for seams. This might come down to a skill thing, but it could be coaching, it definitely is missing this year. This year they are throwing it at the net instead of looking for a set play.

Could be that the coach wants more focus on volume of shots rather than fancy plays. Seems last years playoffs the team got away from their team game. Could ba the players still need time before they start to play a more skilled game. Good to see they are working harder just need to bury thosw chances.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by badradio

Flames might have been shooting in quality locations, but a lot of the shots were in low traffic or they take too long to get the shots off… Things that probably can’t be analyzed. One of the biggest things I’ve noticed from this year compared to last year, our top line last year moved that puck fast! Tic-tac-toe plays (minus Johnny setting things up) this is a stark contrast to this year where puck movement is incredibly slow, they are passing it around with no urgency looking for seams. This might come down to a skill thing, but it could be coaching, it definitely is missing this year. This year they are throwing it at the net instead of looking for a set play.

Kadri's hesitation before shooting, when Huberdeau set him up on the PP was infuriating. No idea why they are having so much trouble with one timers this year - can only chalk it up to confidence

[CGY12]

Mangiapane can be incredibly stupid at times. Completely unaware of time, score and opponent in that situation.

However I will also say I can't believe at the continued lack of calling anything on the Edmonton Oilers when they play IN Calgary. It is freaking comical and shocking all at once. They repeatedly get dominated 5 on 5 at the dome yet are net positive with PPs every god damn game. That no call on Nurse with Toffoli just reaffirms everything I need to know about this league. They aren't willing to penalize the Oilers for 50 seconds in a game they took the lead on the PP, on the most obvious interference call of the season.

Team isn't good enough, I agree but that 3rd period was embarrassing on the leagues part.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Kadri's hesitation before shooting, when Huberdeau set him up on the PP was infuriating. No idea why they are having so much trouble with one timers this year - can only chalk it up to confidence

Just shoot the damn thing...

[Freddy]

Ok, sometimes it’s takes a night to sleep on it to truly own your mistakes. I’m not a very superstitious guy but last night in the GT in the second intermission I made the post asking Mangiapane to be the game breaker and the hockey gods granted my wish just not the way it was intended. So blame me, go easy on Andrew, and let’s hope we both learned ….that short of talent Nurse is going to run interference to get his team power plays.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That's a bit of a dickish way to minimize a discussion and over simplify what people are saying.

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

This post is a complete waste of bandwidth

Originally Posted by dino7c

No kidding...why have a PGT if we cant discuss what happened. If the Flames won a game like this we would be talking about them stealing one...Flames very rarely steal one though.

There is more to discussing a game than "they won" or "they lost" otherwise this place wouldn't exist

I don't think so, the Flames are starting to rack up a lot of "If they keep playing like that they'll win a lot of games!" losses.

Dec. 27 Flames outshoot Edmonton 47-22, lose 2-1
Dec. 16 Flames outshoot St.Louis 43-24, lose 5-2
Dec. 14 Flames outshoot Vancouver 38-27, lose 4-3
Dec. 1 Flames outshoot Montreal 46-19, lose 2-1
Nov. 17 Flames outshoot Tampa 40-24, lose 4-1
Nov. 8 Flames outshoot NJ 35-20, lose 3-2
Nov. 7 Flames outshoot NYI 46-32, lose 4-3 (OT)
Nov. 1 Flames outshoot Seattle 40-26, lose 5-4
Oct. 29 Flames outshoot Edmonton 42-26, lose 3-2

They've gotta be leading the league in outplaying opponents and losing games. Or there's more to it, obviously.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I don't think so, the Flames are starting to rack up a lot of "If they keep playing like that they'll win a lot of games!" losses.

Dec. 27 Flames outshoot Edmonton 47-22, lose 2-1
Dec. 16 Flames outshoot St.Louis 43-24, lose 5-2
Dec. 14 Flames outshoot Vancouver 38-27, lose 4-3
Dec. 1 Flames outshoot Montreal 46-19, lose 2-1
Nov. 17 Flames outshoot Tampa 40-24, lose 4-1
Nov. 8 Flames outshoot NJ 35-20, lose 3-2
Nov. 7 Flames outshoot NYI 46-32, lose 4-3 (OT)
Nov. 1 Flames outshoot Seattle 40-26, lose 5-4
Oct. 29 Flames outshoot Edmonton 42-26, lose 3-2

They've gotta be leading the league in outplaying opponents and losing games. Or there's more to it, obviously.

Well that is a lot when you see it all together.

But I do think last night was different, it wasn’t just shot volume. It was possession, in close chances. Flames played very well.

But finishing is part of the game (as is goaltending which explains a couple of your examples). Scoring goals is a skill not just based on how many chances you get. And given where Flames are in the standings, results are what really matters.

[TheScorpion]

There are two sides to it.

On the whole, the Flames have generated a ton of low-quality shots this season. They rank third in shots/60 but 15th in high-danger chances/60. And a lot of those games were ones where the Flames basically stuck to the perimeter all night and barely tested the goalie.

But it's also very fair to point out that last night's game was very different from the rest.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'd feel better about missing the net on an attempted one-timer on the PP than a slow wrister into the goalies gut after a passing play that had no chance to go in

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There are two sides to it.

On the whole, the Flames have generated a ton of low-quality shots this season. They rank third in shots/60 but 15th in high-danger chances/60. And a lot of those games were ones where the Flames basically stuck to the perimeter all night and barely tested the goalie.

But it's also very fair to point out that last night's game was very different from the rest.

Last nights effort seemed to be similar to the highly impressive first 7 games of the season, possession, pressure, puck movement, shut down 5 on 5...kinda weird?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I don't think so, the Flames are starting to rack up a lot of "If they keep playing like that they'll win a lot of games!" losses.

Dec. 27 Flames outshoot Edmonton 47-22, lose 2-1
Dec. 16 Flames outshoot St.Louis 43-24, lose 5-2
Dec. 14 Flames outshoot Vancouver 38-27, lose 4-3
Dec. 1 Flames outshoot Montreal 46-19, lose 2-1
Nov. 17 Flames outshoot Tampa 40-24, lose 4-1
Nov. 8 Flames outshoot NJ 35-20, lose 3-2
Nov. 7 Flames outshoot NYI 46-32, lose 4-3 (OT)
Nov. 1 Flames outshoot Seattle 40-26, lose 5-4
Oct. 29 Flames outshoot Edmonton 42-26, lose 3-2

They've gotta be leading the league in outplaying opponents and losing games. Or there's more to it, obviously.

Thanks for summarizing. Heard a stat on the radio or more the Flames record when they get over 40 shots. Was quite a bit under .500.

Maybe there’s a corelation between shot quantity and quality. The game with shots in the high 20s and 30s the Flames had a much better record

[madmike]

Bottom line is this just isn’t a very skilled team. They work hard most nights but without top-end talent they’re not going to compete with the better teams.

[bubbsy]

The “moral victory “ take-away perspective still doesn't sit well with me.

Yes, flames had a lot of shots directed towards the net
Heck, they even got shots from the high danger areas.

Yet, I still think markstrom had to be at an all star level last night, and skinner just needed to be in position. Markstrom had to fight and use his skill to make his saves. I don't remember many 10-bell saves or any desperation saves from skinner.

As long as skinner didn't give up a complete stinker, the flames weren't creating any real cross seam, or actual high value shots that were going to go in.

This is the same moral victory flames I feel I saw during the first road trip where they lost games folks felt they deserved to win.

This team doesn't deserve “moral victory” points. They haven't earned anything but 9th place, so why pat them on the back for a “good try”. It's funny to me.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by madmike

Bottom line is this just isn’t a very skilled team. They work hard most nights but without top-end talent they’re not going to compete with the better teams.

explains why they more than competed with the Oilers

[madmike]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

explains why they more than competed with the Oilers

The Oilers are not one of the better teams in the league. They’re a mediocre, borderline playoff team just like the Flames.

[Jiri Hrdina]

No one is happy with moral victories. People are just recognizing when the team plays well and still loses.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by madmike

The Oilers are not one of the better teams in the league. They’re a mediocre, borderline playoff team just like the Flames.

hence my post lol

Oilers are a bubble team that only goes as McDavid goes

they're basically San Jose without him .. without the karlsson

[madmike]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

hence my post lol

Oilers are a bubble team that only goes as McDavid goes

they're basically San Jose without him .. without the karlsson

The Oilers and Flames are pretty much polar opposites. The Flames generally have good structure and work hard. But they lack skill.

The Oilers have Mcdrai, but lack any structure and play lazy. They’re always looking for scoring chances rather than making the safe play.

But they’re both in the same spot - mediocrity.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by madmike

The Oilers and Flames are pretty much polar opposites. The Flames generally have good structure and work hard. But they lack skill.

The Oilers have Mcdrai, but lack any structure and play lazy. They’re always looking for scoring chances rather than making the safe play.

But they’re both in the same spot - mediocrity.

I agree with oiler fans that have texted in to 960 and said that if you meshed the two teams together (Calgary's structure & depth, and edmonton's high end) you might have a contender

separately, each alberta team reflects what the other is missing, while being glaringly incomplete

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I agree with oiler fans that have texted in to 960 and said that if you meshed the two teams together (Calgary's structure & depth, and edmonton's high end) you might have a contender

separately, each alberta team reflects what the other is missing, while being glaringly incomplete

So well said. At the moment it sums things up well. High end talent is beating us 2:1 in games to make matters worse.

I still think Huby has that high end talent. We just need to find him the right center and RW to complement his skill. The force is very strong whith him to pass, pass , pass. But the receiver of such passes needs to have the skill to bury them.

Perhaps Ruzicka at center and Coronato on his right side will be the secret sauce. But may need to wait another season for such. Too bad Toffoli and Huby cannot find chemistry. Lucic is definitely not the answer.