LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[Flamesfan05]

If Treliving pays a 1st+ for Gio, a year from now we’ll have no Gio, no Cup and no good prospects.

Sound like a Treliving way

[CalgaryFan1988]

I'm sure Treliving has looked at various options, but you would think there would be one team (who isn't deep up front) could acquire Giordano and then protect 4 - 4 instead.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Friedman on 960 saying speculation is that Seattle is asking for a 1st and a 3rd to not pick a player.

I guess we'll see more deals like the Graves trade then.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I would love to see Seattle overplay their hand here and see more teams make moves so they can't be held over a barrel.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If Treliving pays a 1st+ for Gio, a year from now we’ll have no Gio, no Cup and no good prospects.

Sound like a Treliving way

Treliving should be fired immediately!!!!

If Gio is a Flame past next Wednesday, what are the chances of him playing somewhere else in 20022/23? I would put it somewhere between slim and none. I'll go out on a limb and say if he's here come August, he will be a life time Flame and probably sign one year deals until he hangs them up for one reason or another.

No need for the melodrama.

Personally, I hope they expose him and let the chips fall where they may. $6.75 of gained cap space is an asset. As good as Gio has been, this team needs to pivot.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

None of those teams are contenders this coming year, so why would they want to give up any assets for a 38-year-old defenceman who is UFA at the end of the season?

Further questions:

If you ran the Canucks, which one of Tyler Myers, Nate Schmidt, and Olli Juolevi would you expose so you could protect Giordano?

If you ran the Kings, which one of Drew Doughty (who has an NMC in any case), Olli Määttä, and (let's say) take your pick of Matt Roy and Sean Walker?

If you ran the Coyotes, most of whose NHL defencemen are headed to UFA at present, you wouldn't have a problem finding a protection slot. But where would you propose to find an extra $6,750,000 to pay Giordano with?

I don't see any of these teams as plausible destinations.

Vancouver could easily protect Gio... BUT they have 15M in cap space to sign Hughes and Petterson ... They would trade some limited asset for Gio but would want the Flames to retain a lot of salary.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You're blaming the best players, rather than actually trying to get them the help they need. The problem with the Calgary Flames is not that their best players aren't any good. The problem with the Calgary Flames is that they haven't got enough good players. Get rid of Monahan, Gaudreau, and Giordano and bring in Eichel, and you get a team with two more sub-replacement-level randos. This is exactly the wrong direction to go.

Did you actually watch the last two playoff series the Flames played in? Can you honestly say they lost those series because the Avs and Stars bottom six forwards and bottom defence pairings were better than the Flames?

Flames vs Avs

Monahan 2 pts
Lindholm 2
Giordano 2
Gaudreau 1

Rantanen 9
McKinnon 8
Barrie 5
Landeskog 4

https://www.hockey-reference.com/pla...rst-round.html

Flames vs Stars

Gaudreau 4
Lindholm 3
Monahan 2
Giordano 2

Heiskanen 8
Pavelski 6
Klingberg 6
Benn 4

https://www.hockey-reference.com/pla...rst-round.html

This core has been ####ting the bed for over two years now.

[Mattman]

The Flames would be the team to trade assets to keep an aging 2nd pair defenseman while the team has done nothing notable in the last 15 years.

Cool.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would love to see Seattle overplay their hand here and see more teams make moves so they can't be held over a barrel.

The Kraken are doing the right thing IMO as they have all the leverage. Maybe Treliving didn't expect the Kraken's demands to be so high but he should have known that Gio would have been a very attractive option for a variety of reasons. Seems like Treliving is backed into a corner here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Kraken are doing the right thing IMO as they have all the leverage. Maybe Treliving didn't expect the Kraken's demands to be so high but he should have known that Gio would have been a very attractive option for a variety of reasons. Seems like Treliving is backed into a corner here.

I don't see it that way. This is the reality of expansion drafts. Last time the Flames escaped because they didn't have enough good players.
A lot of teams will lose a good player they don't want to. The Flames are no different.
What may have changed is they could have thought, when signing Tanev, that they would expose him. Which is why the lack of a NMC was notable at the time. But his play vastly exceeded expectations while Gio had a declining year (better second half). So now the situation has changed.

BT of course should explore scenarios to keep him. But I don't see how he backed himself into a corner. It's just the reality of the expansion draft.

[bubbsy]

I really was hoping Giordano got traded to a legit contender for his last year under this contract. It really his the best option for all parties at this point.

[VladtheImpaler]

Just thinking about this. If you take into account that, for good or ill, the Flames are in "win now " mode with Sutter, and you look at performance and contracts... I am exposing Rasmus. I think, with his skills, speed and offense in particular, he is a #4, and I don't like that contract much for a #4 d-man. Leave him exposed - I think he is much easier to replace for that price than Giordano is for his price. I don't mind being free of that contract, given what I have seen in terms of production/performance. This is strictly from the perspective of short-term success. Otherwise, I just let Giordano go and not worry about it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Suspect he will - at the deadline.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by devo22

I guess we'll see more deals like the Graves trade then.

Its a game of chess, I would think Seattle will make some trades

Teams will hold out as long as they can

Should be interesting....

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't see it that way. This is the reality of expansion drafts. Last time the Flames escaped because they didn't have enough good players.
A lot of teams will lose a good player they don't want to. The Flames are no different.
What may have changed is they could have thought, when signing Tanev, that they would expose him. Which is why the lack of a NMC was notable at the time. But his play vastly exceeded expectations while Gio had a declining year (better second half). So now the situation has changed.

BT of course should explore scenarios to keep him. But I don't see how he backed himself into a corner. It's just the reality of the expansion draft.

He's backed into a corner because he really wants to keep Gio and the price to keep him is extremely prohibitive. He loses no matter the outcome.

[Toonage]

Its really too bad Gio wasn't moved at the last deadline.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Again that's the reality of the expansion draft.
The Canes really want to keep Jake Bean.
They won't be able to.
There is no way for current teams NOT to lose. It's set up that way.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again that's the reality of the expansion draft.
The Canes really want to keep Jake Bean.
They won't be able to.
There is no way for current teams NOT to lose. It's set up that way.

I don't think Jake Bean means as much to the Canes as Gio to the Flames. I get what you are saying but it's a little apples to oranges.

[Jiri Hrdina]

It is apples and oranges, but the Canes used a top 15 pick on Bean. Sucks to lose that for nothing particularly when the guy probably is going to be a solid young NHLer who has been blocked by their D depth. The Flames scenario would be Valimaki not getting injured and being exposed in this draft. Somewhat lucky that's not happening. Would fans be more upset to lose Gio or Valimaki?
(surprised they haven't flipped him yet to recoup something, even a 2nd round pick)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its really too bad Gio wasn't moved at the last deadline.

This is the problem with teams that keep trying to win even when the walls around them are burning down. Yes they should have traded Gio at the deadline but we all know that was never an option the GM was considering. This team has never been able to make the difficult decisions when it comes to asset management.