I just remembered something, did anyone else notice when Kylo revived Rey, he didn't have a scar on his face? Missed makeup session? Any reason for it?
I just remembered something, did anyone else notice when Kylo revived Rey, he didn't have a scar on his face? Missed makeup session? Any reason for it?
It inferred that Kylo Ren was dead and Ben Solo had returned.
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I always thought that Luke being willing to go to the Island of woe in self banishment leaving the galaxy in the hands of two powerful dark side users was just a poor choice. I mean they could have really played up a split between Leia and Solo and Luke in a really simple manner. Have everyone believe that Ben had fallen and rose as Kylo Ren and everyone including Luke believing that Luke had killed him. Now you have a great reason for Luke in self banishment on the Island wanting to let the Jedi die and Leia and Han not really wanting to talk to him. Then at the end of the movie you can reveal Kylo Ren as one of the movers and shakers behind the First Order. Then you can introduce Snoke in the second movie still kill Luke off and have the confrontation of Rey against Ben and Snoke in the third with the question of redemption for Ren, and do something different and not have Ren as redeemable.
While I've spent allot of time berating your use fan fiction to critique these movies. I quite like this.
One other thought I had that could tie the stories together a little bit better is you could retconn episode one and have Palpantine pulling the strings behind the immaculate conception somehow. I'm allot more comfortable with the idea of rewriting those movies in fan fiction.
Its the one missing piece in pulling the 3 trilogies together as the story of Palpantine destroying himself (even as he never really rose above the level of secondary character in any movie, other than maybe RotJ).
Palpantine > Tyranus > Sifodyas > Clone Army
Palpantine > Trade federation > Droid Army
Palpantine > Empire > Death Star
Palpantine > Snoke > First Order > Ren
Palpantine > palpantine jr. > Rey
Originally the plan was written for stronger hints that Sideous and Plagueis were responsible for the so called immaculate conception of the chosen one. There were even strong hints in the original treatment of ROTS that they had manipulated the Midi-Clorians to create what was a extremely powerful force being.
The shame of eliminating the Legends EU as Canon was that there were some very cool trilogy hints.
In the Darth Plagueis book. Both Plagueis and Sidious had decided that the apex of the grand plan of the Sith was at hand and they basically shifted the balance of the Force which is what lead to the Jedi being blinded or having their power compromised. The Force responded with the creation of Anakin to counter the darkness. It was a very cool moment which lead to the scene where Anakin arrived on Coruscant and Plagueis who was still alive saw him and panicked that all of the Sith plans were undone by the arrival of the boy. Of course it showed the power of Sidious who saw the opportunity to find his apprentice and kill his master.
You see Sidious skirted the rule of two, during the events of TPM he still had a master, they never considered Darth Maul as anything more then a assassin and not a Sith Lord. Then on the night that Palpatine was elected to lead the republic he basically celebrated with Plagueis and got him drunk and then killed him. Which breaks the spirit of Bane's rule of two where the apprentice wrests power from his powerful master through a almost force battle.
But anyways, it was always hinted that up until the filming they wanted to have a Anakin I'm your father moment that when combined with Anakin feeling slighted by the Jedi and his desire to save a forbidden relationship would have a almost justifiable fall to the dark side.
You know, I've always wanted to get a book that showed Dooku being seduced to the Dark Side of the Force. I'm kind of convinced that he was disgruntled with the Jedi and the Republic and that his intent was to hunt down and destroy the Sith out of revenge for the death of his former apprentice, and somehow Palpatine sold him that the Republic had to die, I think it would be a great story.
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Ok what the hell. This new trilogy has done some serious disservice to some real Rebel veterans.
First Admiral Ackbar is a casualty in Last Jedi, getting sucked into space, without even a word of a mention about his years of service or what he meant to the Rebellion (just his son showing up as a pilot in Rise of Skywalker) and now Nien Nunb is confirmed dead.
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It might not have been acknowledged in the movie itself, but The Rise of Skywalker: Expanded Edition author Rae Carson confirmed Nien Nunb's death in response to fellow writer Bryan Young.
And in case you think Carson is just joking, she later clarified to the writer: "Yeah, I think it's pretty clear from the movie (upon careful watching), so I feel comfortable confirming. Props to you for noticing!"
Young pointed out that Nunb's ship went down "just before the Jedi reach out" to Rey.
I feel like Chewie after he just learned Leia died, just frustrated. I loved these periphery characters of different races. They signified just how serious this fight was, with all the different cultures and races banding together. They deserved better than.. nothing.
Nien Nunb flew in the Galactic Civil War, he flew alongside Lando in the final mission to blow up the second death star. He was integral to the Rebels success. And we don't even need to mention how crucial Ackbar was.. and this is what they get?
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The main thing that drove me nuts was Leia is/was a Jedi?
Come on.
I already said this, but of all the other things to complain about in the sequels, this shouldn't be one.
"There is another."
While overshadowed by Vader being Luke's father, that was suppose to be a huge revelation in The Empire Strikes Back. If Luke failed to stop Vader/Palpatine, there was still hope...in the form of Leia (at least retconned in ROTJ).
She was shown to be force sensitive and a daughter of Vader. While Luke was shooting womp rats and watering sand, or whatever the hell farming he did, she was actively participating in and leading a war. Luke got 5 minutes of training from Obi Wan and a couple months of training with Yoda, which amounted to mostly standing on his head in a swamp.
When Luke defeated Palpatine and decided to start up a new order of Jedi's, the top of his list would have been his warrior princess sister who Yoda saw as at least equal to Luke. If Luke truly became the greatest Jedi with minimal amount of training, surely Leia could have become at least a capable Jedi with unlimited amount of training from Luke.
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Wow, the fact that all of these significant fan faves were killed off and no one really gives a #### is sort of indicative of the lack of pathos in the film.
Wow, the fact that all of these significant fan faves were killed off and no one really gives a #### is sort of indicative of the lack of pathos in the film.
Debatable. I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan and don’t give a crap about any of those characters dying.
We’re not talking about Agent Coulson, of MCU fame, type development here. His death meant something. I could describe him as a person beyond his role in the plot. Not something I can say for any of these one note background characters from SW.
Admiral Akbar and these other nobodies weren’t important and never had more than a line or two in the movies. Let alone being important enough to justify actual development time in the new trilogy. They’re lucky their existence was even acknowledged.
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Debatable. I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan and don’t give a crap about any of those characters dying.
We’re not talking about Agent Coulson, of MCU fame, type development here. His death meant something. I could describe him as a person beyond his role in the plot. Not something I can say for any of these one note background characters from SW.
Admiral Akbar and these other nobodies weren’t important and never had more than a line or two in the movies. Let alone being important enough to justify actual development time in the new trilogy. They’re lucky their existence was even acknowledged.
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Debatable. I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan and don’t give a crap about any of those characters dying.
We’re not talking about Agent Coulson, of MCU fame, type development here. His death meant something. I could describe him as a person beyond his role in the plot. Not something I can say for any of these one note background characters from SW.
Admiral Akbar and these other nobodies weren’t important and never had more than a line or two in the movies. Let alone being important enough to justify actual development time in the new trilogy. They’re lucky their existence was even acknowledged.
In 10 years no one will care who Agent Coulson is. Everyone will remember Ackbar.
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Debatable. I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan and don’t give a crap about any of those characters dying.
We’re not talking about Agent Coulson, of MCU fame, type development here. His death meant something. I could describe him as a person beyond his role in the plot. Not something I can say for any of these one note background characters from SW.
Admiral Akbar and these other nobodies weren’t important and never had more than a line or two in the movies. Let alone being important enough to justify actual development time in the new trilogy. They’re lucky their existence was even acknowledged.
If you go just by the movies, Ackbar is a very minor character, although with one of the most famous lines in movie history. But he was greatly expanded upon in the EU and was a major character in many books, and turned into a fan favorite. It's just further evidence of the new trilogy writers giving zero ####s about any of the Star Wars lore. I could have actually understood if Ackbar wasn't in the new movies at all, but to go to the trouble of including him just to kill him off redshirt style is an obvious attempt to pander to long time Star Wars fans without actually putting any effort into it
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I snickered when they bought him into the movies in TFA because to be honest, I wasn't even sure Ackbar was in the meeting in that movie until the credits.
I get that the makers were trying to creative Gravitas by killing Ackbar, but they just didn't do a good job of it. I felt more emotional about the death of Tallie in the hanger bay in TFA, they did a great job of making you at least go "Oh shyte" when she done got sploded.
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