2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

What about going all out with Ottawa. Try and land Karlsson and Stone.
To Cgy: Karlsson, Stone
To Ott: Hamilton, Frolik, Fox, Eat Bread, Gillies. Something along those lines. I feel like Hamilton holds more value than Stone. But obviously need to give up a fair bit to get Karlsson on top of that.
Then I’d look to move Brodie in a package for picks prospects, or a young forward.

I am not commenting on the trade suggestion, but do want to point out that acquiring Erik Karlsson is a wrench in both the Flames's salary structure and building plan. I don't see the Flames adding a +$10.0 m long-term contract unless it comes attached to a player in his mid-twenties.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Would be fun to see, but I'm not sure we're giving up enough with just what's listed above. Would probably have to include next years 1st as we're getting the better players hands down.

Karlsson > Hamilton = debatable but most GM's would probably agree
Stone > Frolik
The rest are unproven assets at this point.

I would add next years first. Then I’d try move Brodie to get into the first round this year.

[tkflames]

I think the media knows something about Dougie that most fans don't. Kerr was very careful around the "addition by subtraction", Pinder has had a few one offs about Dougie and Boomer hinting at an OEL trade discussion earlier. There is way too much smoke around a young top pairing defenseman with solid numbers...in any other situation moving Dougie would not even be considered.

[Diemenz]

I wish Hamilton's name would stop showing up in trade suggestions like he is not a top 3 asset on this team. I get that because he is top 3 the return would bring back the most but I can't help thinking what a mistake it would be. I could be wrong but I cannot remember the last time a team traded one of their best young players for another teams older player and it worked out as a positive. I can however remember trades like Subban for Webber, filip for erat, Gomez and Mcdonagh, Voracek for Carter, Thornton to San Jose etc in recent memory which at the time seem stupid and ended up being really stupid.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am not commenting on the trade suggestion, but do want to point out that acquiring Erik Karlsson is a wrench in both the Flames's salary structure and building plan. I don't see the Flames adding a +$10.0 m long-term contract unless it comes attached to a player in his mid-twenties.

Debatable to me. D-men seem to have a much longer shelf life. Although Karlsson has had knee problems in the past. Tough call, would be a game changer for this franchise, for at least the next 3-4 years.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

I wish Hamilton's name would stop showing up in trade suggestions like he is not a top 3 asset on this team. I get that because he is top 3 the return would bring back the most but I can't help thinking what a mistake it would be. I could be wrong but I cannot remember the last time a team traded one of their best young players for another teams older player and it worked out as a positive. I can however remember trades like Subban for Webber, filip for erat, Gomez and Mcdonagh, Voracek for Carter, Thornton to San Jose etc in recent memory which at the time seem stupid and ended up being really stupid.

See the post above yours, these "suggestions" are not coming out of thin air unfortunately, they stem from some key media personnel who all seem to be banging the same drum. Names aren't being used directly but all the smoke indicates that of Hamilton and so SOME posters are exploring the possibilities of what the return could/would be if there's "fire" to the "smoke".

Brace yourselves.

[Robbob]

Man is Ottawa ever in a poopy situation. Have they made the decision on whether this year or next year they give the 1st to Colorado? Man would it suck being a fan for that team knowing the team they cheer for is being blown up may not have a first rounder next year. It was bad enough around here with the Hamonic situation, cannot imagine the one Ottawa may put themselves into.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by tkflames

I think the media knows something about Dougie that most fans don't. Kerr was very careful around the "addition by subtraction", Pinder has had a few one offs about Dougie and Boomer hinting at an OEL trade discussion earlier. There is way too much smoke around a young top pairing defenseman with solid numbers...in any other situation moving Dougie would not even be considered.

Surely the Boston media would "know something" too? I can't see them being quiet about it if so. Not sure I buy the "too much smoke" argument as anything other than there being smoke. Which is what the media does very well.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

I wish Hamilton's name would stop showing up in trade suggestions like he is not a top 3 asset on this team. I get that because he is top 3 the return would bring back the most but I can't help thinking what a mistake it would be. I could be wrong but I cannot remember the last time a team traded one of their best young players for another teams older player and it worked out as a positive. I can however remember trades like Subban for Webber, filip for erat, Gomez and Mcdonagh, Voracek for Carter, Thornton to San Jose etc in recent memory which at the time seem stupid and ended up being really stupid.

only one comes to my mind is Johansen for Jones

[bax]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Surely the Boston media would "know something" too? I can't see them being quiet about it if so. Not sure I buy the "too much smoke" argument as anything other than there being smoke. Which is what the media does very well.

My theory is that Dougie is highly coveted- thus the Flames take lots of calls on him, but the likelihood of a deal is very low unless there is over payment.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by bax

My theory is that Dougie is highly coveted- thus the Flames take lots of calls on him, but the likelihood of a deal is very low unless there is over payment.

This I agree with.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by bax

My theory is that Dougie is highly coveted- thus the Flames take lots of calls on him, but the likelihood of a deal is very low unless there is over payment.

That's the best part about it, at the end of the day Dougie is still ours so even if there's "smoke" and no fire or if the offers/calls we're getting on him are terrible then we dont have to do anything and we've got a great defenseman on a phenominal contract with term left.

Its Win/Win for Calgary right now, we just need to address the scoring issues another way.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Its Win/Win for Calgary right now, we just need to address the scoring issues another way.

Hitting the net with shots would be a good start.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Man is Ottawa ever in a poopy situation. Have they made the decision on whether this year or next year they give the 1st to Colorado? Man would it suck being a fan for that team knowing the team they cheer for is being blown up may not have a first rounder next year. It was bad enough around here with the Hamonic situation, cannot imagine the one Ottawa may put themselves into.

Outside of a horrendous GM and worse Owner, I think the Senators are being forced down the “rebuild” path at a good time.

If they had a good GM and a good Owner, I’d be excited for that fan base. Think of what they could do with a “tear down”.

Mark Stone
Matt Duchene
Erik Karlsson
Jean Gabriel Pageau
Zack Smith

Selling those guys this summer/at the deadline should get them a huge bounty. Mike Hoffman should have been dealt at the trade deadline of this past season as well, even if it were for a reduced price (...you have to think they could have got something better than the nothing they got a few days ago).

...but, they have the owner they have, and the GM that has to listen to that owner...so yeah, their fans are boned.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by bax

My theory is that Dougie is highly coveted- thus the Flames take lots of calls on him, but the likelihood of a deal is very low unless there is over payment.

Except among CP'ers.

Here he's a defensive moron worth a couple buckets of pucks.

[kukkudo]

Treliving is not going to trade Hamilton just because. Now if a team is throwing in a top 5 pick, another pick, couple A prospects that is a different story. Has to be a an overpayment.

[bluck]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Treliving is not going to trade Hamilton just because. Now if a team is throwing in a top 5 pick, another pick, couple A prospects that is a different story. Has to be a an overpayment.

Brady Tkachuk come on down!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Except among CP'ers.

Here he's a defensive moron worth a couple buckets of pucks.

What?!?

Horrible take who outside of Ricardo thinks Hamilton is a bad player? If someone says he is not a franchise Dman that doesn’t mean they don’t like the player. Most trades proposed for Dougie have the Flames landing multiple high end assets. Couple of buckets of pucks?

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by bluck

Brady Tkachuk come on down!

Need more than just a top 5 pick. Toronto still makes the most sense Marner/Nylander, 25th, 52nd, Kapanan.

Flames get to draft in the first two rounds. They get a top 6 forward and another potential top 6 forward.

[JTech780]

The only reason to trade Hamilton is if there are attitude or locker room issues, and without being in the room it's hard to speculate. He does seem like someone who is aloof and maybe doesn't take things seriously all the time, I could see how that would be frustrating. Either way you need to get a great return for Hamilton if you are going to trade him, and a return that makes us better this year not 2-3 years from now.