[News Roundup] Garbage bag day: Monahan had 4 surgeries!

[AC]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Are you actually a flames fan? Because it appears to me you dont really like any flames players. Gaudreau is small, Monahan is one dimensional, Hamilton is a little girl, Tkachuk is overrated, X is not physical, Y is not so and so, this other team is much better, this player on team Z etc etc etc. Is there anything about this team you actually like?

I'm not being an ass about it, I am genuinely curious.

A few posters figured out he's actually a Jets fan.

From January:

Originally Posted by jayswin

My favourite thing over the last year has been suddenly realizing that Ricardodw is clearly a Jets fan while none of us noticed. All those years he trolled us and we thought he was a Flames fan.

Once you see it, you'll see it everywhere he posts. I actually feel stupid as almost all his comparisons over the years where he bashed Hamilton and other Flames were to the Jets and pointing out how they had done everything better in building their team.

I guess because he had us so confounded by his stats and indexes we missed the forest for the trees, lol.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by 868904

Bennett was the consensus pick at 4, Flames would have been roasted had they not taken him there. They would have been roasted too if they traded down and passed on him.

The real sore spot is taking Mason McDonald, Hunter Smith, and Brandon Hickey before local product Brayden Point. There is really no excusing that. The kid is in your backyard for crying out loud. How could you not have been tracking him since bantam?

Martin Jones was also playing in Calgary. That would have been a nice pickup.

The Flames franchise is not well run from top to bottom. From ownership and the building negotiations, to scouting, coaching, etc. This is why this has pretty much been a failed franchise for the last 30 years.

I’m a long time Flames fan and always root for the team. I have just come to accept reality that this is a mediocre franchise. Unless there are some dramatic changes in the decision makers for this franchise it will continue to be an irrelevant team.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Are you actually a flames fan? Because it appears to me you dont really like any flames players. Gaudreau is small, Monahan is one dimensional, Hamilton is a little girl, Tkachuk is overrated, X is not physical, Y is not so and so, this other team is much better, this player on team Z etc etc etc. Is there anything about this team you actually like?

I'm not being an ass about it, I am genuinely curious.

As a DBA/System admin I incorporated goflamesgo into various passwords so Oilers and Leafs fans would have to think goflamesgo to log in.

I never ever suggested that Tkachuk is overrated.

The only possible criticism that I have had of Gio is that when he was hurt I thought the team was done and they went and won a playoff series without him. He is going to go down as one of best player to never prove to himself in the playoffs.

Brodie is a high skilled player that played with courage.

Gaudreau is great ... he is small and would actually be elite if his supporting cast was significantly more physical. I really can't see that he will not be leaving as soon as possible. He gets the slashing and whines. There should be no whining just immediate and disproportionate retaliation by his teammates. In the playoffs there was and would be fear for his safety.

I argued long and hard that Monahan be the Flames pick rather than Lindholm as Lindholm had basically no penalties playing in Sweden. He is a great skilled player. He isn't tough to play against. Do you think he is hard to play against?

I do have a couple of objections with Hamilton. He was rewarded with a big contract based solely on potential. He was brought in at a huge price and was pretty much a disaster .. He made everyone he played with worse. I had bought into nothing given everything earned. His treatment was the antithesis of that standard. He does not give any impression of being a team player and has not worked or studied hard enough to improve his defense play. He seems to play for the name on the back rather than the crest on the front.

The Flames management are always looking for a quick fix. Throw money and Draft picks at it.

They don't seem to have a handle on how important it is to have value contracts... ELCs where the players play at a higher level than they are paid.

I guess I can't be a fan of the Flames if I can see the problems and want them corrected.

Are you satisfied with the makeup and direction of the Flames? Are they as good as the Jets? or Predators. or Golden Knights? Right now the Canucks are closer to being a top 8 team than the Flames.

What is your timeline for the Flames being a top 8 team? It seems that a lot of posters here are sounding like Lowe era oiler fans..... oooh so close..one aging overpaid UFA away.

Yes I guess I am a Jets fan. I am excited how as a perennial crappy team has turned into a real SC contender.

Last year I was an Oilers fan as they had their first good team in a decade.

I guess I am just worn out by not enjoying the playoffs by not having a horse in the race.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by AC

A few posters figured out he's actually a Jets fan.

From January:

It becomes especially apparent when you see him speak to Frolik, a player that chose to sign in Calgary after leaving Winnipeg.

It's amazing that he would even pretend to be a Flames fan with so many instances of clearly being a Jets fan, but his first sentence in the above post appears to suggest he would like us to believe him. It's funny whenever he's outed he ghosts the thread for awhile until people stop talking about it.

Not sure why the change this time.

[jayswin]

He typically uses very careful language to give the appearance that he's a Flames fan. Things like "We like our heroes" when referencing why Flames fans approved of Martin Gelinas, while condemning us as a fan base. The use of the word "we" in a post about the Flames where the "we" is actually referring to the fact that everyone on earth is biased towards heroes is purposeful.

There's dozens of posts like that where if you really read it he won't say he's a Flames fan but attempts to keep that connection through close language.

Even the above post is really oddly worded as a response to him not being a Flames fan

As a DBA/System admin I incorporated goflamesgo into various passwords so Oilers and Leafs fans would have to think goflamesgo to log in.

Like WTF is that? If someone asks if you're a Flames fan because all your posts indicate otherwise, just say you're a Flames fan to clear up confusion.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Angelino

Martin Jones was also playing in Calgary. That would have been a nice pickup.

The Flames franchise is not well run from top to bottom. From ownership and the building negotiations, to scouting, coaching, etc. This is why this has pretty much been a failed franchise for the last 30 years.

I’m a long time Flames fan and always root for the team. I have just come to accept reality that this is a mediocre franchise. Unless there are some dramatic changes in the decision makers for this franchise it will continue to be an irrelevant team.

I have been told the Flames scouts and management do not even talk to the Hitmen management and coaches about players... and the Flames own them!

So guess that’s how we miss out on local players

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by 868904

Bennett was the consensus pick at 4, Flames would have been roasted had they not taken him there. They would have been roasted too if they traded down and passed on him.

The real sore spot is taking Mason McDonald, Hunter Smith, and Brandon Hickey before local product Brayden Point. There is really no excusing that. The kid is in your backyard for crying out loud. How could you not have been tracking him since bantam?

I would hope the Flames staff is tracking all the prospects. Just because he is in your backyard shouldn't matter. The reality is that Point was draft 79th overall, so its not like just the Flames passed on him
The Lightning themselves drafted Jonathan Macleod in the 2nd round 3 picks after Smith was taken. Idiots!

They also drafted Dominik Masin in the 2nd round 1 pick after McDonald.
Fools!
It is just way to easy to make these decisions years later.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I have been told the Flames scouts and management do not even talk to the Hitmen management and coaches about players... and the Flames own them!

So guess that’s how we miss out on local players

I think the appropriate approach would be to treat the Hitmen just like any other organization. The Hitmen, for the most part, have not been great at producing NHL players.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think the appropriate approach would be to treat the Hitmen just like any other organization. The Hitmen, for the most part, have not been great at producing NHL players.

Ha! The flames haven't been all that great at producing NHL players either

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I have been told the Flames scouts and management do not even talk to the Hitmen management and coaches about players... and the Flames own them!

So guess that’s how we miss out on local players

Or it could be a measure that ensures you don't trade Barzal for Reinhart.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think the appropriate approach would be to treat the Hitmen just like any other organization. The Hitmen, for the most part, have not been great at producing NHL players.

Coincidence?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Coincidence?

I don't know that's a fair comment.
The Hitmen are a really strong organization. They have a great winning tradition and model of consistency.
I get that people are looking to take shots wherever they can - but I think this one is miss-placed.

My point was simply that I wouldn't focus on the Hitmen more than any other junior team, including because it isn't they are established to be great at producing NHL players.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't know that's a fair comment.
The Hitmen are a really strong organization. They have a great winning tradition and model of consistency.
I get that people are looking to take shots wherever they can - but I think this one is miss-placed.

My point was simply that I wouldn't focus on the Hitmen more than any other junior team, including because it isn't they are established to be great at producing NHL players.

You get that people are looking to take shots wherever they can? You said Hitmen haven’t been good at producing NHL players.

[jayswin]

Isn't there a lot of politics and regional restrictions on producing NHL players in the CHL?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

As a DBA/System admin I incorporated goflamesgo into various passwords so Oilers and Leafs fans would have to think goflamesgo to log in.

I use Lord of the Rings or The Simpsons naming conventions. No one has confused me with a dwarf or cartoon character yet.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would hope the Flames staff is tracking all the prospects. Just because he is in your backyard shouldn't matter. The reality is that Point was draft 79th overall, so its not like just the Flames passed on him
The Lightning themselves drafted Jonathan Macleod in the 2nd round 3 picks after Smith was taken. Idiots!

They also drafted Dominik Masin in the 2nd round 1 pick after McDonald.
Fools!
It is just way to easy to make these decisions years later.

You are, of course, right, Jiri, but those are especially frustrating. Especially with Boomer's story of talking to Point's dad at the draft... The one that is still burning me is from Darryl's GMing days with his love of WHL and big forwards... and the big center from Kelowna...

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Right now the Canucks are closer to being a top 8 team than the Flames.

What is your timeline for the Flames being a top 8 team? It seems that a lot of posters here are sounding like Lowe era oiler fans.....

Yes I guess I am a Jets fan. I am excited how as a perennial crappy team has turned into a real SC contender.

Last year I was an Oilers fan as they had their first good team in a decade.

I guess I am just worn out by not enjoying the playoffs by not having a horse in the race.

It's fine to be a fan of hockey and not just s Flames fan.

However, you are laying it on a little thick. No way are the Canucks closer to being a top 8 team in the west than the Flames.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by 868904

The real sore spot is taking Mason McDonald, Hunter Smith, and Brandon Hickey before local product Brayden Point. There is really no excusing that. The kid is in your backyard for crying out loud. How could you not have been tracking him since bantam?

Sometimes, that can be the problem. If you've been watching a kid for too long, you can have some preconceptions about him from his younger days that he's grown out of, but you still have in the back of your mind.

It's like in the business world where sometimes a person who started with a company when they were very young will find themselves pigeon-holed by that company and need to go elsewhere to advance their career.



There was obviously something that made teams hesitate about Point. Every scouting service had him ranked much higher than he actually went. Craig Button had him ranked 17th, and even that was selling him short compared to his actual performance. Every team dropped the ball on Point, even Tampa.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TOfan

. No way are the Canucks closer to being a top 8 team in the west than the Flames.

Presently? No.

But between Pettersson, the 2018 draft 1st round, Gaudette, a healthy season from Boeser and Horvat, and oodles of cap space, it wouldn't be shocking if they jumped past us in the next two years while we struggle to hold serve.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Presently? No.

But between Pettersson, the 2018 draft 1st round, Gaudette, a healthy season from Boeser and Horvat, and oodles of cap space, it wouldn't be shocking if they jumped past us in the next two years while we struggle to hold serve.

That's a lot of ifs and a sheer pessimism looking at the Flames side thinking their won't be improvement from a very young core.

Vancouver might have some nice pieces up front, but their back-end and net is a tire fire.

I get it's doom and gloom season, but there's no need to be spinning this as a distinct possibility right now.