[PGT] Golden Knights 4 - Flames 2

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I'm saying for how garbage the coaching has been they didn't lose because of dumb coaching, they lost because of a dumb play by Frolik + a dumb play off the immediate ensuing faceoff + craptastic PP (in spite of solid d and goaltending, sorry I suppose 'good' wasn't a strong enough adjective for the point I was trying make).

I'm saying regardless of the coach, this team does not have enough skill upfront to be a true contender.

I disagree, yes, it's Frolik's brain fart that cost the tying goal. But it's most definitely dumb coaching for not calling a time out right after that.

Regardless of the coach? Disagree. I think this team have as much skill upfront as the Knights, the difference is they have the good GG and we have the crappy GG.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They outplayed them but only scored 2 goals. Definite strategy for frustration.

This team needs to generate more high danger chances.

I think they create but don't seem to finish...they need a high end RWer

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

As frustrating as that was, the Flames have had terrible luck for this last stretch. If the Flames have equal luck as the other teams for the last 5, they probably win at least 3. The PP has been poor, but has also been unlucky at some points. Frolik made a bad play, but those bad plays have seemingly gone against us at a rate that must involve some bad luck.

Luck will balance out. The Flames have shown plenty to show that they can compete (and more) with anyone.

More killer instinct would be good, but that doesn't always overcome bad luck.

pretty much this...

not sure where this notion that "the flames need to play a perfect game under GG's system to win" comes from?

pretty sure GG doesn't tell them to sit on a one goal lead.

in all 5 of the losses, Calgary has had chance after chance to get bigger leads, but the puck isn't going in, they hit iron, run into a hot goalie... lots of bad luck frankly....

Calgary was peppering edmonton, but Talbot and the iron keep it at 2-0 and then suddenly Edmonton gets a fluky spinaround goal from the boards to make it 2-1 and the Flames collapse...

not sure how you can attribute calgary's lack of finish to GG's system.

With a huge exception of the PP notwithstanding.

[SuperMatt18]

Just for comparisons sake her are the players ahead of Gaudreau in the scoring race and the games they have without a point.

Kucherov: 12 games
Mackinnon: 16 games
Kessel: 15 games
Stamkos: 16 games
Tavares: 19 games
Giroux: 15 games

Gaudreau: 17 games
Crosby: 18 games

Don’t want any of those inconsistent floaters on my team, bunch of Marius Czerkawski wannabes

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

You'd better inform Treliving then. He's been unloading picks like it's going out of style.

Blow it up again! Keep Gulutzan for the rebuild! Can't wait!

Treliving is an overrated gm, who is fun because he plays his role like a guy would playing franchise mode in an early NHL video game.

The rebuild always has a chance of ultimately failing, if while bottoming out, the team does not attain enough high end talent. So, yes though maybe not this season or next, but at some point a blow it up is not out of the question should there be a realization that this core isn't skilled enough to win in the new high speed high skill nhl.

Gulutzan is not a good coach, but all I'm saying is the flames played a good game tonight outside 2 brain farts and a useless pp. That too against the best team in the conference.

The team is not a coaching change away from being a contender, just like they aren't a player away from being one either. It's sad and depressing, especially with a gm handing out top picks, and ownership threatening to leaves town because folks aren't willing to give them hundreds of millions so that the owners can make more profits.

[dino7c]

Flames out chance the other team almost every game lately

Them not being able to shoot a fish in a barrel doesn't mean they are sitting back. They had the better chances in the 3rd.

[browna]

If Brodie got that puck he was skating backwards and a few feet from Smith, and the puck was in his backhand to boot. An all time atrocious play from Frolik, no blame to he assigned anywhere else, given how hard a pass that was.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

As frustrating as that was, the Flames have had terrible luck for this last stretch. If the Flames have equal luck as the other teams for the last 5, they probably win at least 3. The PP has been poor, but has also been unlucky at some points. Frolik made a bad play, but those bad plays have seemingly gone against us at a rate that must involve some bad luck.

Luck will balance out. The Flames have shown plenty to show that they can compete (and more) with anyone.

More killer instinct would be good, but that doesn't always overcome bad luck.

What's really been unlucky about the PP?

I subscribe to the philosophy that you make your own luck. You play good, and luck will work in your favour. You don't play so good, and bad luck can be more frequent.

The Flames PP, if you want to call it that, is hard to acknowledge because despite having an extra player on the ice, they never look like they are a man up. They have terrible puck poise, and fold up like a cheap tent under any pressure. They cannot control the puck, or cycle it to save their lives.

Puck movement is the fundamental of the PP, and they're incapable of that. Which is bizarre, because when it's even strength, they're pretty good at doing that when they're settled in the zone. But that's the big issue with the PP I suppose, they never get settled despite having an extra man. They box themselves in, which leads to a turnover that the opposing team clearing the puck unharassed. And then the Flames have difficulty gaining back the zone.

When a teams offense looks tremendously better on even strength than with the man advantage, then two things are happen. One, the players are overthinking, and two, the structure is broken. How often does this team sustain pressure on the PP? Never. You can't have luck if you don't even set yourself up for it.

[flameester]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Agreed. Late in the game, Brodie needs to sacrifice his body and block that shot. Don't know what he was thinking

Watch the replay. Neither Smith or Brodie had time to even process what happened.

Smith barely had time to make the save and Brodie barely had time to turn before the puck was going into the net..

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Just for comparisons sake her are the players ahead of Gaudreau in the scoring race and the games they have without a point.

Kucherov: 12 games
Mackinnon: 16 games
Kessel: 15 games
Stamkos: 16 games
Tavares: 19 games
Giroux: 15 games

Gaudreau: 17 games

Don’t want any of those inconsistent floaters on my team, bunch of Marius Czercauskis

Hah. Nice stats gymnastics there. We're talking about consistency and hot/cold streaks, not total games over the course of a season.

[jaydaybay]

Holy crap are calgary teams ever developing a reputation to choke, if they hadnt already. Between the flames playoff exit last year, stamps back to back chokes and some of the flames losses this year i feel as though i should be more in to bdsm.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Just for comparisons sake her are the players ahead of Gaudreau in the scoring race and the games they have without a point.

Kucherov: 12 games
Mackinnon: 16 games
Kessel: 15 games
Stamkos: 16 games
Tavares: 19 games
Giroux: 15 games

Gaudreau: 17 games

Don’t want any of those inconsistent floaters on my team, bunch of Marius Czercauskis

It was such a ridiculous post and stupid hill to die on...guy needs to just admit he made a mistake. We are all frustrated and irrational.

JG is 2nd in the league in percentage of team points. Maybe he needs some help out there...more than just Tkachuk and his line mates when they decide to show up.

[Classic_Sniper]

People, people, people...it was absolutely a heartbreaker of a loss. But this was the 1st regulation loss we’ve had in something like 54 games. We were 50-0-3 leading after 2. Anyone who questions the mental fortitude of the team, or the decision making of the coach, or the team’s best shutdown line who was fresh from a line change just isn’t paying attention.

As awful as we all feel right now, this was just a freak loss from a team of destiny who seemingly has had a horse shoe up their ass all season long. On a positive note, at the very least, we played well against the best team in the league (winning%). It shows we’re not far away from being an elite team IMO.

[ComixZone]

8 goals in the last 5 games.

You know how to erase a 7 game winning streak? Lose 5 straight.

Team is 11-5-7 over their last 23 games. That's 11 wins and 12 losses. Through 50 games, the team is 25-17-8. That's 25 wins and 25 losses.

Not good enough.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames out chance the other team almost every game lately

Them not being able to shoot a fish in a barrel doesn't mean they are sitting back. They had the better chances in the 3rd.

Heh. Nice CORSI though. Too bad it means diddly squat if not enough of the team can score.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Hah. Nice stats gymnastics there. We're talking about consistency and hot/cold streaks, not total games over the course of a season.

lol you can't be serious

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Hah. Nice stats gymnastics there. We're talking about consistency and hot/cold streaks, not total games over the course of a season.

How is that stats gymnastics - if a player is streaky he’s going to have more games without a point.

It’s pretty simple logic here.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I disagree, yes, it's Frolik's brain fart that cost the tying goal. But it's most definitely dumb coaching for not calling a time out right after that.

Regardless of the coach? Disagree. I think this team have as much skill upfront as the Knights, the difference is they have the good GG and we have the crappy GG.

I'm not defending the coach. Feel free to go thru my post history all year, I'm all for getting rid of the guy and his assistants.

As far as your comment on skill, I disagree. The knights success is that they basically have 3 second lines. Sure our top line is better then theirs, but each of their other forward lines is more impressive then the flames counterparts.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Sure Frolik is the goat (I’d argue Brodie also gets some blame standing their like a pylon completely oblivious), but you could feel Vegas was going to tie that. The Flames could
Not get the puck out of their end once it was in there for basically the last 5 minutes. We are supposed to be a good defensive team aren’t we?

[Stay Golden]

Gilly no time out called when it was obvious the team was rattled by that ridiculous decision to play it back into the Flames zone right at Smith.
Flames go from up 2-1 with 2 min left to down 3-2 and coaching is a big part of the implosion. Gilly instructing his team to once again "manage" the game instead of just continuing to play the way thet were.
Gilly is goof and pays the price dropping from 3rd to 5th in the standings.
Bag skate yourself Gilly!