[Rumour] Incoming Flames shake up

[TheScorpion]

Phaneuf may be overpaid, but he isn't useless. Brouwer and Stajan are useless sucks.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Even if they miss it’ll probably be fine.

Everyone is acting like the chance of that pick winning the lottery on its own makes the trade a failure or that it is a foregone conclusion it will win the lottery.

And even if it does, if Hamonic is a key piece in the Flames over the next few seasons and we see some playoff success, it could still turn out to be better than the lottery pick.

I agree if the pick is 11-15 it won’t be a definite loss for Calgary. Disagree the deal will still work out of the asset we traded turns into a top 3 pick. Our organization has never picked that high but I doubt the pick is a lotto winner

[4X4]

If they'd maybe rest Stajan a bit, it would be a positive for Calgary in that he wouldn't be playing for Calgary, and he might also rechemicalize some gas for his tank, that either Calgary, or a team making a run could use.

Stajan doesn't suck, he's just really, really out of gas. Probably never to return to the NHL after this year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he finds a 10th wind for the playoffs this year.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Pretty sure that taking 7.0 Phaneuf off their hands was the + on top of Brodie, who is probably still a good player, under a different coach.

Except we dump more than that back in worse players in Stajan and Brouwer so how does that equal out? That is absolutely terrible for Ottawa.

[Vinny01]

Having Phanueg making $7M for the next 3 years is a horrible move. If we are going to take a brutal contract from Ottawa at least Bobby Ryan can score goals which is what we need.

Dorian has come out and stated Stone and Karlsson are not being moved this season so no we are not getting Stone.

I don’t think the extra year and bigger cap hit make a Dion for Brouwer deal attractive.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except we dump more than that back in worse players in Stajan and Brouwer so how does that equal out? That is absolutely terrible for Ottawa.

Stajan is forgotten in 50 games. That deal isn’t brutal for Ottawa considering Stone is very valuable.

Hypothetically if that deal goes through how the hell can the Flames afford to pay Stone, Tkachuk, Bennett, a number one goalie while having Phaneuf as the highest paid player (until Stone signs his extension). That doesn’t even include Ferland who is on pace for 30 goals

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Wonder what’s up with this so called shakeup..

It's been nothing more than a tweak so far.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except we dump more than that back in worse players in Stajan and Brouwer so how does that equal out? That is absolutely terrible for Ottawa.

I'm not saying it;s a good deal (for either team), just saying that it's not as unbalanced as it seems at first thought.

Don't worry, it (thankfully) wont happen.

[Diemenz]

I think people need to stop calling Hamonic the #4 defensemen. He has outplayed Brodie by far this year and I am fairly certain if his partner was Stone we would be talking about what an amazing pickup it has been. I loved Brodie but the only explanation I can think of is that his off ice has impacted his on ice and he can't get past it.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think this could be interesting with Ottawa:

To Ottawa
brodie (4.7)
brouwer (4.5)
stajan (3.1)

To Calgary
Stone (3.5)
Dion (7.0)
Thompson (1.6)

Johnny Monahan Stone
Tkachuk Backlund Frolik
Bennett Jankowski Ferland
Hathaway Thompson Jagr

Gio Hamilton
Phaneuf Hamonic
Stone Kulak

All that garbage your proposing is not going to get you a 30 goal scorer lmao. Much less basically a 3 for 3 player trade. Why would anyone take 2, old and washed up 4th line players with those contracts, and 2 goals combined between them. Phanuef's contract sucks, but he is a serviceable defensemen and Nate thompson has more points and goals then Stajan and Brouwer.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

I think people need to stop calling Hamonic the #4 defensemen. He has outplayed Brodie by far this year and I am fairly certain if his partner was Stone we would be talking about what an amazing pickup it has been. I loved Brodie but the only explanation I can think of is that his off ice has impacted his on ice and he can't get past it.

Whats brodie off ice issues?

[2ArmBands]

I believe his wife was diagnosed with MS in recent years

[Moneyhands23]

Shake???

[bluejays]

I've seen the name Kane come up and it's so polarizing. Kane the player would be a welcome addition IMO, but Kane the person is such a risk. The guy is such a jerkoff that I'm really not sure if he'd make others around him better or worse. If they do decide to make a play for him you'd hope they'd do their research and due diligence. Smugness like that can piss off so many people in any organization.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by fleury

I've seen the name Kane come up and it's so polarizing. Kane the player would be a welcome addition IMO, but Kane the person is such a risk. The guy is such a jerkoff that I'm really not sure if he'd make others around him better or worse. If they do decide to make a play for him you'd hope they'd do their research and due diligence. Smugness like that can piss off so many people in any organization.

The only smugness is coming from your post. E. Kane's off-ice antics are no worse than Giroux, Carter, Subban, Phaneuf, Seguin, Marchand, P. Kane, any other rich, young NHL player.

He'd be a welcome addition next to Johnny and Monahan

[TheScorpion]

delete

[Major Major]

Curious if the only holdup to the "shakeup" is the self imposed player movement moratorium. I would imagine that would also include sending vets down to Stockton.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The Flames traded their 1st round pick for Hamonic. Without him, they’d be theoretically even worse and would have even better chance of top pick. So you’re saying that because he’s on the team, you will never know what the pick could have been. That is factually correct but not sure I totally see your point. The issue is whether a playoff bubble team should have traded so much for a #4 defenseman. I do get that some people saw that as a decent gamble. If Travis Hamonic propels the Flames into a top 10 team this debate would certainly look different.

The original post was just stating that even if the pick turned into a top 3 for the Islanders there is no guarantee it would have for the Flames. Most fans seem to either be fine with the trade or taking a wait and see approach. Then there are a few others who love to judge the trade in hindsight after less than half of a season.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by boogerz

The only smugness is coming from your post. E. Kane's off-ice antics are no worse than Giroux, Carter, Subban, Phaneuf, Seguin, Marchand, P. Kane, any other rich, young NHL player.

He'd be a welcome addition next to Johnny and Monahan

So you're saying smugness and attitude should be ignored in this case? I do think there are downsides to ignoring attitude and the effect some guys have on others. Subban arguably wasn't smug, but had a different attitude about losing not being everything. Haven't hard much about Giroux or Marchand, but the other four I'd agree with. There are extreme cases where skill outweighs that attitude that comes with it ie: P. Kane, but in other cases like Phaneuf when he was young, it has to be taken into account. I don't think my comment was smug at all.

[ForeverFlameFan]

For those that are still mad about the first round being traded for Hamonic, sometimes we forget that Treliving didn't pay a 1st rounder for a rental. He traded for a player that is on a bargain of a contract, with 2 years left on it after this season. Not only that, but he's an excellent person off the ice. And he seems to love it here, so I have a good feeling that he will re-sign here.

Sure, it sucks that in hindsight we are thinking of the upcoming draft and how we do not even have a pick in the top 62. But I am happy that we got him for a playoff push not only this season but for future ones. Hamonic is the least of our worries.