[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He said 2 years $6M so $3M AAV

yeah that would never happen. gaudreau shouldn't have to prove anything for him to take a lowball bridge deal, if there's a bridge I think you would see the last year being very high for qualifying.

2 year:
4m - 7m

3 year:
4m - 6m - 7.5m

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by underclassman

Nobody's making you like Gaudreau God damn it . Quotes like yours make me dislike people like you ...lol God damn it !!!!

Have you fallen and hit your head? This isn't even a remotely coherent thought.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by underclassman

It's all in the hands of the Flames owners at this point . God damn cheap SOB's ....lol .

Go home you're drunk, when have the owners ever not wanted to pay to the cap?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

He said 2 years $6M so $3M AAV

No he said AAV of $6 mill or even as much as Monahan got. I am almost certain.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by underclassman

I think Gaudreauvertime is Lewis

People keep saying that.

If it's true, I'm not even slightly worried about whether Treliving gets his price. Eventually, bad agents just get overruled and likely fired.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Must have meant $6 million per year. $3 million is completely implausible.

If the Flames are willing to pay $6m AAV for a bridge deal but are scoffing at 8×7.5m.... well, that doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

If it's a bridge, it has to be around 3×4.5m or 2x3.5m. Any more than that and I will start to question if we have the right management in place, and I'm a big fan of Treliving.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Weitz

No he said AAV of $6 mill or even as much as Monahan got. I am almost certain.

You are wrong he was talking about the Subban deal. Pat was talking $7-7.5M 8 years. $6M AAV for 2 years makes no sense

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

yeah that would never happen. gaudreau shouldn't have to prove anything for him to take a lowball bridge deal, if there's a bridge I think you would see the last year being very high for qualifying.

2 year:
4m - 7m

3 year:
4m - 6m - 7.5m

Not sure the Flames want to be in a spot where the qualifying offer for Johnny is going to be north of $7M

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Must have meant $6 million per year. $3 million is completely implausible.

So by far the largest AAV in a bridge deal ever offered? The closest one was the RoR offer sheet but no team has signed their own player to a short term bridge over $5M

[Gaudreauvertime]

So are people here ready to accept the Gio cap is a thing?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Not sure the Flames want to be in a spot where the qualifying offer for Johnny is going to be north of $7M

bunker down, I can't see any circumstance where Johnny isn't making over 7m in 3 years.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

So are people here ready to accept the Gio cap is a thing?

Only in the sense that they MIGHT be using it to try to leverage Gaudreau into a cheaper deal.

Is it the hill they are willing to die on though? I really, really doubt it.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

yeah that would never happen. gaudreau shouldn't have to prove anything for him to take a lowball bridge deal, if there's a bridge I think you would see the last year being very high for qualifying.

2 year:
4m - 7m

3 year:
4m - 6m - 7.5m

if gaudreau dislikes and rejects the long term offers, his options are to sign a bridge deal or stay out of the NHL until his rights being owned by the flames expire (~ 5 years from now??).

His options are really limited. It would in poor taste by the flames to really low ball the bridge/short term offer, as it would basically destroy the relationship and chance of getting any kind of long term deal done at the end of the term.

the 2nd contract, the rfa contract and draft pick rules are setup to allow a team, any team, to be able to ice a competitive team built through the draft, not by throwing around money to free agents of other teams. If team's are forced to break the bank on RFAs, then what happens to the contracts when the players goes UFA and the team is now negotiating against 29 other teams ?

with a cap, there's only so much dough. Does this mean star RFAs are actually going to start being worth more than star UFAs? Perhaps this lines up if we see a general shift of player peaks being during the RFA years... But then a team rebuild strategy seems to need tweaking as accumulating lots of young assets thru the draft, could become too expensive a venture by the time the picks that pan out hit their 2nd contract.

Long story short... i don't like not having gaudreau signed, but i really dislike the precedent on the RFA 2nd contracts that will be set should he and his agent get the deal done in their favour.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

bunker down, I can't see any circumstance where Johnny isn't making over 7m in 3 years.

I agree with you but hopefully that is because he is in year 3 of an 8 year contract. If Calgary does beleive him I don't see them having a much higher AAV in the last year so they are forced a massive QO

[Otto-matic]

Come on Johnny sign!

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

When did the meaningless games start? November? December? January? February? As far as I can tell, his scoring rate was pretty consistent all year.

If you think that any team in the league would be harping at Gaudreau to play better defense, I don't know what to tell you. Gaudreau can't stop pucks and Gaudreau can't stop the team from icing the puck 300 times a game because the coach insists on forcing a strategy that the rest of the league has adapted to. I for one am excited to see how Gaudreau does playing for a coach who is more than a one trick pony. I think he has a chance to really benefit from that.

Gaudreau had 5 goals by the end of November when the Flames were done for 2015-16 and building for the next year. After the pressure of being an NHL team was out of the way he put in 25 goals in his last 55 games.

He had 5 count them 5 even strength goals and 10 pts on the road in the whole season 39 games......

NOT Yet a proven 8M player.

[photon]

I wonder if players ever resent each other over big contracts. Because salaries are linked to revenue, and the cap is higher than revenue so players put money into escrow and only part of that is refunded, basically player getting a huge raise actually reduces the salary for everyone else.

Just playing around with the numbers, it looks to me like if Johnny gets a raise of $6 million dollars, that costs everyone else on the team thousands to over ten thousand dollars. If you're Bouma it'll cost you $4000+. If you're Sean or Gio $12,000+.

I assumed NHL salaries totaling $2.5 billion and revenues totaling $2.2 billion for about a 12% escrow with zero refund. The amounts change of course depending on the difference between those. I also assumed all else being equal, which it isn't. Johnny might get $6 million more this season but there's probably another player who made $4 million who is replaced by a $850k player.

Still interesting tho.

Something to distract myself with while waiting for a signing.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

NOT Yet a proven 8M player.

Agreed. He is worth a little over 7m on a max term deal imo.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Photon, I just wanted to say you've got a great sig.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Well thanks for quoting his entire post to do so