Justin Trudeau elbows NDP MP Ruth Ellen Brosseau

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Obviously...

The one in white doesn't seem to have boobs big enough to elbow...

Are you for real?

[Resolute 14]

Just what we need. Yet another crappy Canadian Onion ripoff.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yet another crappy Canadian Onion ripoff.

The Beaverton is way funnier than The Onion.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by SebC

The Beaverton is way funnier than The Onion.

Somebody took their article about the NDP showing up with neck collars and in wheel chairs, seriously. Apparently they wrote Mulcair to "chastise him severely" (paraphrasing) at which point the guy was told it was satire and he sent a disgruntled email to The Beaverton.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by SebC

The Beaverton is way funnier than The Onion.

This is That kicks both of their asses though.

[jayswin]

Just out of curiosity for someone who's ignorant to the bill being voted on at the time. What's the big controversy surrounding it?

[CaptainCrunch]

Motion 6 would have allowed the Liberals to end debate on bills anytime they chose to and push it straight to the vote, in effect it would allow the Liberals to muzzle the opposition parties.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/moti...lanc-1.3589812

Late Tuesday, LeBlanc filed notice of a motion that, if adopted, would let Trudeau's cabinet extend sitting hours in the House until a minister or parliamentary secretary decides to adjourn proceedings, something that would be "deemed adopted without debate or amendment."
In effect, this move, referred to as motion six, would allow Liberals to control Commons debate. The tactic followed days of acrimony as Trudeau's government struggled to advance priority legislation.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Which they subsequently dropped. Which was a good move. That motion is far, far worse than any procedural item I can recall the Harper Conservatives introducing, ever. That's the sort of thing that would have irreversibly led me, and I hope others, to eliminate them from consideration as a party I'd vote for the next chance I get.

I'm actually kind of impressed with the Liberals' ability so far to recognize when something they've come up with is a terrible idea, or at least needs revision, and saying "yeah, no, on second thought, let's not do that". Fairly rare and refreshing these days.

[CaptainCrunch]

Probably a better explanation

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...sition-dissent

If adopted, the motion – which goes under the deceptively innocuous title of Government Business No. 6 – would also impose stringent limits on opposition-initiated motions, which would effectively close off most of the procedural loopholes traditionally invoked by opposition parties to indicate their dissatisfaction with the state of affairs in a majority-held House.

It would also render it all but impossible to force a snap vote like the one that the Liberals very nearly lost on Monday morning, and would even set the stage for the House to stay in session past the scheduled end date of June 23.

Instead, it would be up to a minster or parliamentary secretary to bring forward a motion to adjourn for the summer, which could be done with no notice, and would be automatically deemed adopted on the spot.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Which they subsequently dropped. Which was a good move. That motion is far, far worse than any procedural item I can recall the Harper Conservatives introducing, ever. That's the sort of thing that would have irreversibly led me, and I hope others, to eliminate them from consideration as a party I'd vote for the next chance I get.

I'm actually kind of impressed with the Liberals' ability so far to recognize when something they've come up with is a terrible idea, or at least needs revision, and saying "yeah, no, on second thought, let's not do that". Fairly rare and refreshing these days.

They only recognized it as bad because the NDP made a big issue out of it with the little gamesmanship protest. Mulcair badly overplayed his hand on Trudeau's actions in the House, but the initial protest achieved its goal.

[Jacks]

Exactly, they wouldn't have dropped the motion if there wasn't suddenly a spotlight shining on the issue. The idea that they realised it's wrong and had a change of heart is laughable.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Exactly, they wouldn't have dropped the motion if there wasn't suddenly a spotlight shining on the issue. The idea that they realised it's wrong and had a change of heart is laughable.

I don't understand what is wrong with this.

"We have an idea!"

Everyone hates it.

"Ok, everyone hates our idea, let's drop it."

There is a problem here? The government had a plan, public and opposition backlash made them change their minds. This is how this whole "government" thing is supposed to work.

[Jacks]

Seems pretty simple to me. If Trudeau hadn't pulled his power trip the media wouldn't have put the spotlight on the issue and the Liberals wouldn't have withdrawn the motion. The opposition had already put up a stink about this issue and nobody noticed or cared. The Libs knew they were stepping on the opposition necks, they were doing it on purpose as pay back for the vote they almost lost when they were caught with a bunch of absent members on the Monday morning. It's not like they suddenly realised that the whole thing was horribly undemocratic and they should be nicer. I don't expect you to see it that way but there you go.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I don't understand what is wrong with this.

"We have an idea!"

Everyone hates it.

"Ok, everyone hates our idea, let's drop it."

There is a problem here? The government had a plan, public and opposition backlash made them change their minds. This is how this whole "government" thing is supposed to work.

Well except they knew that everyone hated the idea and only dropped it after the elbow incident put it in the spotlight. It was more saving face than it was sincere, sober. second thought.

[Coach]

Fair enough.

For me, the proper result was reached, so I'm not sure I really care how that ended up coming about. They had a (bad) idea, people complained, the bad idea was stopped. Democracy! Although the motion itself is certainly troubling, and I haven't been impressed at all by Trudeau so far.

If people needed a parliamentary side show to pay attention, that's their fault if something goes through that they are not happy with (I include myself in that category).

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Fair enough.

For me, the proper result was reached, so I'm not sure I really care how that ended up coming about. They had a (bad) idea, people complained, the bad idea was stopped. Democracy! Although the motion itself is certainly troubling, and I haven't been impressed at all by Trudeau so far.

If people needed a parliamentary side show to pay attention, that's their fault if something goes through that they are not happy with (I include myself in that category).

I think the argument here is that it wouldn't have been dropped had Elbowgate not occurred.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Fair enough.

For me, the proper result was reached, so I'm not sure I really care how that ended up coming about. They had a (bad) idea, people complained, the bad idea was stopped. Democracy! Although the motion itself is certainly troubling, and I haven't been impressed at all by Trudeau so far.

If people needed a parliamentary side show to pay attention, that's their fault if something goes through that they are not happy with (I include myself in that category).

Yeah for me the means are often as important as the ends. I'm pretty neutral on Trudeau, which basically matches how I've felt about him since the he became leader of the party. I think there have been good moments, but a lot of his reign has been overshadowed by the same old Liberal politics that wore on me during the Chretien/Martin years.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think the argument here is that it wouldn't have been dropped had Elbowgate not occurred.

Yeah I get that.

I really have a tough time blaming the party for that though (as with most political issues). I blame them for coming up with a stupid idea and for trying to implement said idea. But the fact that it needed this sideshow to bring it to light is the fault of the masses IMO. It's our job to rally against things the government is doing that we don't like. If we're too apathetic to care, and bad things happen, well, I put that on us.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Yeah I get that.

I really have a tough time blaming the party for that though (as with most political issues). I blame them for coming up with a stupid idea and for trying to implement said idea. But the fact that it needed this sideshow to bring it to light is the fault of the masses IMO. It's our job to rally against things the government is doing that we don't like. If we're too apathetic to care, and bad things happen, well, I put that on us.

Except this is why we have opposition parties in government, because frankly most people aren't reviewing the day to day occurrences of Parliament.

Its not the fault of the masses, and the opposition was going to lose a key ability to register that they are opposed with government in Parliament and on record, and with the press still in their kissing Trudeau's butt phase they wouldn't have gotten the time of day with the major press.

[Vulcan]

So in the end the NDP are the good guys. Go NDP.