Fans get on the media when they are too friendly with management, and now they get on them when they ask the tough question.
Agreed, Treliving is a bunch of platitudes and non-answers in these press conferences. Which is a good thing, but also disappointing for media/fans starved for info. I don't mind that we have someone willing to ask "that" question. No I don't buy that the timing of the firing was entirely a coincidence.
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Agreed, Treliving is a bunch of platitudes and non-answers in these press conferences. Which is a good thing, but also disappointing for media/fans starved for info. I don't mind that we have someone willing to ask "that" question. No I don't buy that the timing of the firing was entirely a coincidence.
Exactly my thoughts. Yes, I believe that the idea of moving on from Hartley was considered for a while, but I think the coincidence that now BB is available likely sped up the process.
I read Bingo's write-up and I agree with his postulation on what the motive is. Flames really do seem to be in win-now mode. I think that is a huge mistake. They aren't good enough. Not anywhere close even.
Watching the Flames play this past season demonstrated how many things came together in a spectacular and improbable way on the 2014-2015 team. It is not going to be repeated by these guys any time soon.
I fear if we make a play for Boudreau and try an win now at all costs, we'll be hooked into years of disappointment and a decade out of the playoffs.
The rebuild has to continue. There is no hacking it. It will be slow and it should be.
Ugh, Francis is such a fool. After Treliving repeatedly said no replacement coach is in mind, he asks Treliving if he's already spoken to Boudreau and what their relationship is. Stupid stupid stupid
He's likely asking because he's heard an inside rumour.
I think they would have fired Hartley regardless of who was available... but I also think they're firing him today because of who is. I mean Boudreau is available, Ottawa and Minnesota are rumored to be in the hunt already (for Boudreau), so if Calgary wants to be in that conversation then they had to fire him sooner rather then later. The Flames should want to maximize their options and as long as Hartley was still actively employed as coach that wasn't possible.
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Sounds to me he has been thinking about doing this for a while but was open to giving Hartley one more chance with better goaltending but something recently changed his thinking and has led to today's announcement whether it be the recent availability of a head coach or something else.
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Francis didn't ask if Treliving had somebody in mind, he asked if Treliving had a previous relationship with Boudreau at all.
Don't mind that question as I was also curious to see if the two had any history together.
Agreed. Without the direct question from Francis, there would have been continued speculation. What I know now is that Treliving has no relationship with Boudreau at all, and I honestly don't think he's a likely candidate.
I read Bingo's write-up and I agree with his postulation on what the motive is. Flames really do seem to be in win-now mode. I think that is a huge mistake. They aren't good enough. Not anywhere close even.
Watching the Flames play this past season demonstrated how many things came together in a spectacular and improbable way on the 2014-2015 team. It is not going to be repeated by these guys any time soon.
I fear if we make a play for Boudreau and try an win now at all costs, we'll be hooked into years of disappointment and a decade out of the playoffs.
The rebuild has to continue. There is no hacking it. It will be slow and it should be.
Right... but Brad made it pretty plain what the issue was; puck possession. It's hard to get it and you have to keep it, they clearly had a disagreement about play "style" something Brad emphasized. It is one of our biggest weaknesses and probably why Bob's gone, in terms of team skills it's one of the most important and we were one of the worst at it. He emphasized possession and style very clearly more than anything else so that's probably it, not win now mode, he didn't even get close to saying that.
Francis didn't ask if Treliving had somebody in mind, he asked if Treliving had a previous relationship with Boudreau at all.
Don't mind that question as I was also curious to see if the two had any history together.
His exact question:
"Your relationship with Bruce Boudreau -- it's, uh, it's the obvious frontrunner for this job in many people's minds. Do you have a relationship with him? Have you spoken with him?"
Why would Treliving have spoken to anyone when he repeatedly said the decision was made with no person in mind, with no consideration regarding what coaches are available? He even used the "there's not a prettier girl at the dance" analogy. How many different ways can he say the same thing? And why would he say anything different because Francis name dropped Boudreau, or implied that many people (who?) think Boudreau is the obvious front runner? Why would he imply that there is an existing relationship, and then ask if they do have an existing relationship?
It wasn't a tough question. It wasn't a hard question. It was a stupid follow up to a statement that Treliving made repeatedly.
Francis is probably leaving the presser and saying to anyone who will listen "Has Treliving really not spoken to Boudreau? Does he really not have obvious slam dunk front runner Boudreau in mind?"
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I read Bingo's write-up and I agree with his postulation on what the motive is. Flames really do seem to be in win-now mode. I think that is a huge mistake. They aren't good enough. Not anywhere close even.
Watching the Flames play this past season demonstrated how many things came together in a spectacular and improbable way on the 2014-2015 team. It is not going to be repeated by these guys any time soon.
I fear if we make a play for Boudreau and try an win now at all costs, we'll be hooked into years of disappointment and a decade out of the playoffs.
The rebuild has to continue. There is no hacking it. It will be slow and it should be.
What?
That's not what this means at all.
The Flames management clearly wasn't happy with the way Hartley ran his systems. They even mentioned it in the media after the season wrapped up. So why on earth would you bring back a coach who is teaching your young players to play the game in a way that you don't like?
Coaches are coaches. They're always in win-now mode. How is hiring Bruce somehow impact the rebuild? Is he going to try harder to win than Hartley? That would be a good thing....
The only way you'd have a point is if Boudreau refuses to come here unless we get Perry and Getzlaf or something stupid like that. But that won't happen, he'll either accept that the Flames are where they are (he's very familiar with the Flames coming from the same division) or look elsewhere.
This has zero to do with rebuild status. Everything to do with getting a coach that is teaching your core how to play hockey the correct way. Hartley couldn't do that. He was a one trick pony and everyone figured him out. You can't blame goaltending for everything. There were good chunks of time with Ramo and Ortio where we had average to above average goaltending yet the team still failed to stay in the playoff spot they got a taste of in December.
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Agreed. Without the direct question from Francis, there would have been continued speculation. What I know now is that Treliving has no relationship with Boudreau at all, and I honestly don't think he's a likely candidate.
There is going to be speculation no matter what Treliving said.
What Francis was doing was asking a loaded question designed to manufacture a story.
Treliving was probably wishing he could have pulled a Nenshi and replied to Francis with "when did you stop beating your wife?"
Hartley is the kind of coach that lots of players will always hate. Much like Darryl Sutter. They all tolerate such coaches when winning though.
However, a lot of players expressing this in the exit interviews might have pushed the Flames into this decision. Especially with so many key pieces coming up for contract renewal.
As far as Boudreau goes, there is no way the team would fire Hartley in the hopes of landing him. They would already have the commitment if Bruce was the reason for this move.
Maybe it's Darryl Sutter.
He has no contract.
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