Fire & Ice Girls: Sexist Anachronism?

[Maccalus]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I will be honest, I don't even know if Studio 82 is still around as a bikini bar, so you could be correct. You seem to have more knowledge of health regulations than me.

I don't think that is has been a bikini bar since about 3 iterations ago.

[indes]

So it has been determined that the clothing they wear is commonplace and completely acceptable outside work. Why does it being a uniform make it a bad thing all of a sudden? Places like hooters or even up scale restaurants have their waitresses in far more revealing clothes than the F&I girls. I guess I must have missed when pretty girls at work being pretty became an Anachronism.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Do you guys like, actively try this hard to miss the point, or is it just a result of stars aligning in Capricorn or some garbage.

Just so we're all on the same page, what is the point you're trying to make? I think we all understand it fully, we just don't agree with it.

[indes]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Do you guys like, actively try this hard to miss the point, or is it just a result of stars aligning in Capricorn or some garbage.

The title of the thread is basically asking if having the Fire and Ice girls is out dated in our times and if it now falls into the sexist category. I think people arguing the merit of having the fire and ice girls in the first place is a great place to start. Then again you could just keep drive by posting one liners and see if your point gets across, whatever that is.

[devel]

Originally Posted by jammies

You are, by saying that it is inappropriate to sexualize entertainment. Humans are entertained by sex (especially when it's me fumbling about, unfortunately) and incorporating this into a specific kind of entertainment is not wrong, so long as it is within standards of public morality - and outside those standards, sometimes, if it's entertainment strictly for adults.

This isn't like the YLYL thread debate (as an familiar example, as loathe as I am to bring it up again), where there were two main issues that I agree were problems: first, some of the pictures were definitely outside the standards of public modesty, at least for North America, and - far worse in my opinion - there was overt hostility towards women that weren't up to the exacting standards of a bunch of pasty nerds on the internet. I

Some jerk making rude commentary about the F&I girls at a game WOULD be wrong, but losers being losers is a problem that will be solved right after world peace breaks out. The problem still doesn't lie with what entertainment is being provided, but rather the attitudes of those watching it - attitudes that would be far less prevalent in a society that eschewed leftover puritanism for relaxed tolerance.

Really? So you're saying that every bit of entertainment for every age needs to be sexualized because we're sexual beings? All I have said is I do not think selling sex at an event for fans of ALL ages and BOTH sexes IS NECESSARY. I don't know how the NHL survived before ice girls....

Can males really not go 3 hours without seeing some booty? People can get out their smart phone if the addiction is so strong.

The argument I've heard a few times is that "well, the girls at such and such bar wear much worse" doesn't hold value here. I am not sitting in a bar with my seven year old son while guys behind me have their kicks with comments like "Damnnnn, girl", "Oh Baby", "Niiiiiicccceee", etc. I am at an event for ALL ages. When I go to a bar or a place for adults that's a fair comment. I expect that. I can't bring my son into one of those establishments and even if I could, I wouldn't think it appropriate at his age. Yet this happens at a Flames game. (other things happen too but this is a thread about the F&I girls)

I don't see F&I girl type outfits at Cineplex when I go to the movies. That's entertainment for all ages so surely the snack sellers, ticket takers and cleaning crew there should all be female and have the same type skimpy outfits, right? Probably get a lot more men out to the theaters. "Oh baby, bend over and pick up that half eaten bag of popcorn." Give me a break.

So I'll say it again. I do not believe that selling sex is necessary at family events. I think that is where most of the people with the "I want my T&A at Flames games" comments and I disagree. Somehow Flames games are 2 to 1 males so it seems they believe it is for males only and not an event for ALL ages and BOTH sexes.

Honestly I enjoy the Flames games with or without them. I give them little or no attention. I go for the game on the ice. I have not written the Flames about some imagined hate I have about the female body, I have not stopped going to games because they're there. I have only given my opinion in a thread specifically about the them.

For the record I didn't care about the YLYL thread. The comments and the comments that spilled into out the other threads yeah they crossed the line, the thread I didn't really go into once I knew what YLYL was. Easy enough to avoid (when contained in that one thread) if I didn't want to see it, right?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Just so we're all on the same page, what is the point you're trying to make? I think we all understand it fully, we just don't agree with it.

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I know it's been said already, but it bears repeating:

I don't think anyone gives a #### about how the FI girls dress and they certainly don't want to dictate their attire.

They do however give a #### that the Flames organization condones their uh, uniforms.

I certainly couldn't give a #### if you wanted to wear underpants made of clear duct tape, but if you were a plumber and your employer mandated it as part of your work dress, I probably wouldn't want you fixing my toilet.

Essentially, it boils down to "Why?", not "Don't!".

And about 30 other posts of a similar nature.

It's not about what they wear, or seeing people dressed provocatively.

It's about the nature of the job they are doing vs the mandated uniform and hiring practice.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

And about 30 other posts of a similar nature.

It's not about what they wear, or seeing people dressed provocatively.

It's about the nature of the job they are doing vs the mandated uniform and hiring practice.

Their job is to clean the ice and hand out free stuff while being easy on the eyes.

By you logic, Harvey the hound doesn't need his outfit to do what he does.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Their job is to clean the ice and hand out free stuff while being easy on the eyes.

By you logic, Harvey the hound doesn't need his outfit to do what he does.

Except your applying the logic to a situation where the same issue does not arise. If Harvey wore a codpiece, then we could find a parallel. As he does not, your comparison is weak at best.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by devel

I don't see F&I girl type outfits at Cineplex when I go to the movies. That's entertainment for all ages so surely the snack sellers, ticket takers and cleaning crew there should all be female and have the same type skimpy outfits, right? Probably get a lot more men out to the theaters. "Oh baby, bend over and pick up that half eaten bag of popcorn." Give me a break.

Most of the stuff on the screens at the theatre is overly sexualized entertainment.

Your avatar alone could be considered sexualized. Why doesn't that little girl have pants on?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Track suit or skirt and fitted jersey?

Either. Whatever the uniform is.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

...
It's about the nature of the job they are doing vs the mandated uniform and hiring practice.

Boy, you are really persistent.

It is a uniform that, in the opinion of Calgary Flames organization, is nice, sexy enough and appropriate for all viewers. Most paying and viewing patrons of the entertainment provided by Calgary Flames appreciate, like and approve of this uniform. You, Brenda McCallum and a few others don't, which is your God-given right. When the number of those who don't like this uniform exceeds the number of those who do, they will change it. It's really THAT simple. No other justification is necessary.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Except your applying the logic to a situation where the same issue does not arise. If Harvey wore a codpiece, then we could find a parallel. As he does not, your comparison is weak at best.

No my example is actually very appropriate and I think you're the one who's missing the point now.

Go back and read my past and try to understand it.

[CliffFletcher]

The question isn't whether women should wear revealing clothes, or even whether they should wear revealing clothes at work. The question is whether an NHL hockey game is an appropriate venue for that sort of uniform.

Or to put it another way, is an NHL hockey game more like family restaurant or a bar? Boston Pizza or the Shark Club?

[RyZ]

Look at all the skin on those knees! Wont somebody please think of the children?!

So oppressed, so vile, does this country have no morals?

This is what we are talking about here guys, really?



Some of you go on like the girls are wearing pasties and a g-string and dry humping the shovels while licking their lips at center ice. Give me a break.

[ExiledFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Look at all the skin on those knees! Wont somebody please think of the children?!

So oppressed, so vile, does this country have no morals?

This is what we are talking about here guys, really?




Some of you go on like the girls are wearing pasties and a g-string and dry humping the shovels while licking their lips at center ice. Give me a break.

All innocence is lost. Put that riskay photo in NSFW tags!!!

[Nyah]

devel: I'm really trying to understand where you are coming from. Perhaps it's because I don't have a kid to attend games with. However, if I did...the last thing I'd be concerned about would be the off-handed commentary from men regarding the F&I girls. I've had to sit next to obnoxious drunks, volatile fans and people whose vocabulary won't allow them to go three words without cursing. It's a family event, sure, but you're always going to have those idiots. Although overall people tend to be pretty good. I have never once heard men catcalling the F&I girls or even making lewd comments. Never. I think the reason is that the outfits are not skimpy outfits as you labelled them. Maybe that's just my opinion, but I do not see them as even remotely immodest. I've seen teenage girls at the movie theater dress less appropriately than the girls shoveling snow at the Dome. I completely disagree with this statement: 'I do not believe that selling sex is necessary at family events'. Frankly, I find it offensive that women cannot wear a different outfit than a man without being labeled as a marketing tool by some people. It's absolute tripe.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Look at all the skin on those knees! Wont somebody please think of the children?!

So oppressed, so vile, does this country have no morals?

This is what we are talking about here guys, really?



Some of you go on like the girls are wearing pasties and a g-string and dry humping the shovels while licking their lips at center ice. Give me a break.

I went to school with a Stamp Cheerleader and I know she would laugh at the people trying to "save her". She didn't like the pay, but she loved everything else about it.

[_Q_]

With all this bitching going back and forth I actually forgot what the Fire and Ice girls actually look like. Thanks for posting that pic Ryz.

So we're complaining about mid length skirts, long sleeve shirts that show almost no cleavage and modest amounts of makeup? I've seen girls in the Middle East dressed more provocatively than this, and I'm not even exaggerating.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by _Q_

With all this bitching going back and forth I actually forgot what the Fire and Ice girls actually look like. Thanks for posting that pic Ryz.

So we're complaining about mid length skirts, long sleeve shirts that show almost no cleavage and modest amounts of makeup? I've seen girls in the Middle East dressed more provocatively than this, and I'm not even exaggerating.

No we're questioning the necessity. Do I have to draw a flow chart or what?

[devel]

Originally Posted by Nyah

devel: I'm really trying to understand where you are coming from. Perhaps it's because I don't have a kid to attend games with. However, if I did...the last thing I'd be concerned about would be the off-handed commentary from men regarding the F&I girls. I've had to sit next to obnoxious drunks, volatile fans and people whose vocabulary won't allow them to go three words without cursing. It's a family event, sure, but you're always going to have those idiots. Although overall people tend to be pretty good. I have never once heard men catcalling the F&I girls or even making lewd comments. Never. I think the reason is that the outfits are not skimpy outfits as you labelled them. Maybe that's just my opinion, but I do not see them as even remotely immodest. I've seen teenage girls at the movie theater dress less appropriately than the girls shoveling snow at the Dome. I completely disagree with this statement: 'I do not believe that selling sex is necessary at family events'. Frankly, I find it offensive that women cannot wear a different outfit than a man without being labeled as a marketing tool by some people. It's absolute tripe.

Well, this is a thread about the F&I girls not the other stuff that goes on. Pretty sure I mentioned that.

Anyway, I invite everyone to come down to ice level while the girls bend over at the waist to pick up the pucks. Their ass is pointed right at you. No that little skirt and the tighties underneath do not keep anything covered. Maybe then you will see what I am talking about?