Who do we hope ends up GM?

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by moon

Do you even read threads or just whine and cry right away.

I already posted about this in this thread.

I was replying to what you said. Sorry I missed your post where you back peddled and changed your tune. Probably shouldn't exaggerate so much. Hickey sucks and wouldn't get the jockstrap of both Gagner and Voracek in a trade.

[Morning Wood]

Just a note regarding the GM search, I was lucky enough to be invited to the Flames "Top Shelf Experience" for the Blues game on Monday. Part of the experience is a member of Flames management team greeting the guests before the game.

Ken King came over to say hi and answer any fan questions, and of course, someone asked how the GM search is going. I'm paraphrasing what he said, but he mentioned the following points:

-search is "going well"
-Jay Feaster was a good man, but his body of work as Flames GM was not satisfactory
-Brian Burke has a couple candidates on his mind, won't divulge names
-goal is to hire a GM before end of this season, prefer to get it done much sooner than that

Other unrelated tidbits from Ken King:

-very impressed with Byron's play
-Giordano's been "awesome"
-love team's hard working mentality

That was all the time he had. No chance to get my hand crushed by Kinger

[moon]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

I was replying to what you said. Sorry I missed your post where you back peddled and changed your tune. Probably shouldn't exaggerate so much. Hickey sucks and wouldn't get the jockstrap of both Gagner and Voracek in a trade.

Didn't back peddle at all. The original post was talking about the pick and was always based on what would happen when we looked back at the pick.

I clarified it in the later post as it didn't seem clear to some what I meant.

Gagner is a garbage player and teams are better off without him than with him. Hickey is not great yet but still based on how little it takes to be better than Samwise he is much, much better.

Not sure what Voracek in a trade has to do with anything since I have already said that Voracek has been much better so far. I think in 10 years from now when careers are over it won't be so far apart.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by moon

Didn't back peddle at all. The original post was talking about the pick and was always based on what would happen when we looked back at the pick.

I clarified it in the later post as it didn't seem clear to some what I meant.

Gagner is a garbage player and teams are better off without him than with him. Hickey is not great yet but still based on how little it takes to be better than Samwise he is much, much better.

Not sure what Voracek in a trade has to do with anything since I have already said that Voracek has been much better so far. I think in 10 years from now when careers are over it won't be so far apart.

Actually, Gagner is better than Hickey, and he is not a garbage player.

I'd ask you to back up your opinion with actual information, but like most of your opinions, it seems to be based more on a whim than anything that would involve watching the player play (or even listening to someone who actually HAD watched the player play).

You're a delight moon. Merry Christmas!

[JiriHrdina]

Only one other player in Gagners draft year has more points than him.

[Ashasx]

Gagner will put up his 50 points a year but he is so terrible in every other aspect of the game that I think he's a pure liability.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Gagner will put up his 50 points a year but he is so terrible in every other aspect of the game that I think he's a pure liability.

Gagner > Baertschi

If you're not willing to call Baertschi "terrible" then you can't very well call Gagner terrible. Same goes for half the players on the Flames roster.

Gagner is an excellent playmaker, but he's a defensive liability. Those exist in the NHL quite heavily. On bad teams they stick out, or great teams they look superb. He's essentially an Alex Tanguay that can actually produce on a terrible team.

Honestly, if Gagner is what the benchmark for "terrible" is, then you're essentially calling a large contingent of the NHL terrible, along with a lot of the guys you regularly defend.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by strombad

Gagner > Baertschi

If you're not willing to call Baertschi "terrible" then you can't very well call Gagner terrible. Same goes for half the players on the Flames roster.

Gagner is an excellent playmaker, but he's a defensive liability. Those exist in the NHL quite heavily. On bad teams they stick out, or great teams they look superb. He's essentially an Alex Tanguay that can actually produce on a terrible team.

Honestly, if Gagner is what the benchmark for "terrible" is, then you're essentially calling a large contingent of the NHL terrible, along with a lot of the guys you regularly defend.

Baertschi is a much better two-way player than Gagner, but I'm not sure what he has to do with my post.

[YogiBerra]

Originally Posted by strombad

Actually, Gagner is better than Hickey, and he is not a garbage player.

I'd ask you to back up your opinion with actual information, but like most of your opinions, it seems to be based more on a whim than anything that would involve watching the player play (or even listening to someone who actually HAD watched the player play).

You're a delight moon. Merry Christmas!

Gather has been in the league for coming up on seven seasons now he should be a lot better than a 50 point uncommitted defensively player. Expectations are a lot different than baertschi who's still considered a rookie that is a bad comparison. Gagner should not be a center on a decent team and does not pull his weight most games. No comment on the hockey vs voracek as I have not seen much of hickey.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Baertschi is a much better two-way player than Gagner, but I'm not sure what he has to do with my post.

Not trying to make it about Baertschi, but my point was that if Gagner is "terrible" then you have a tendency to defend guys who are a lot worse. Baertschi is an average two-way player with a good effort and unproven offensive abilities.

Gagner is a proven offensive forward with a below average two-way game. He's at a level a player like Baertschi isn't even CLOSE to yet. So before you go calling him terrible, just know you're saying essentially the same about half the Flames team.

I know this is Calgary and every Oiler is laughably bad yadda yadda yadda, but looking at it objectively, just nah. Just nah.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

I was replying to what you said. Sorry I missed your post where you back peddled and changed your tune. Probably shouldn't exaggerate so much. Hickey sucks and wouldn't get the jockstrap of both Gagner and Voracek in a trade.

Wow, I just love talking about the GM search discusion eh?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by strombad

Not trying to make it about Baertschi, but my point was that if Gagner is "terrible" then you have a tendency to defend guys who are a lot worse. Baertschi is an average two-way player with a good effort and unproven offensive abilities.

Gagner is a proven offensive forward with a below average two-way game. He's at a level a player like Baertschi isn't even CLOSE to yet. So before you go calling him terrible, just know you're saying essentially the same about half the Flames team.

I know this is Calgary and every Oiler is laughably bad yadda yadda yadda, but looking at it objectively, just nah. Just nah.

Gagner plays centre, a position that has a natural requirement for at least decent two-way play.

Gagner isn't decent defensively. He's not even below average. He is amongst the worst defensive players in the league.

Baertschi is a LWer where the defensive responsibilities are not nearly as paramount.

Gagner's only asset is that he might trick some GMs into believing he has any true value.

[jayswin]

strombad came on a little strong as a new poster, and I thought he'd be a bad poster. But I find myself agreeing with him all the time and like his posting style, now I think I he's one of the best posters here.

Maybe I should be less of a dick when posters sign up and start posting abrasively and often right off the bat. It doesn't necessarily mean they're a returning/attention seeking poster.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Gagner plays centre, a position that has a natural requirement for at least decent two-way play.

Gagner isn't decent defensively. He's not even below average. He is amongst the worst defensive players in the league.

Baertschi is a LWer where the defensive responsibilities are not nearly as paramount.

Gagner's only asset is that he might trick some GMs into believing he has any true value.

He's still a better player, just as he's a better player than Hickey.

If you want to qualify it and say "oh well he's not as good as being a two-way forward as this other player is at being an offensive forward or this player is at being a defensive defenseman" or whatever then go ahead. Bottom line, Gagner is better than those guys. Take off the Flames goggles for a tad, if he was on almost any other team it wouldn't be a discussion.

He's just fine, and would be a good addition to the third line of most teams. A guy like Baertschi can't even stick in the NHL.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by strombad

He's still a better player, just as he's a better player than Hickey.

If you want to qualify it and say "oh well he's not as good as being a two-way forward as this other player is at being an offensive forward or this player is at being a defensive defenseman" or whatever then go ahead. Bottom line, Gagner is better than those guys. Take off the Flames goggles for a tad, if he was on almost any other team it wouldn't be a discussion.

He's just fine, and would be a good addition to the third line of most teams. A guy like Baertschi can't even stick in the NHL.

That's a bit aggressive. He's 21. It's a bit early in his career to say he "can't even stick in the NHL".

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

That's a bit aggressive. He's 2. It's a bit early in his career to say he "can't even stick in the NHL".

We should not be allowing child labour. Simple as that.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

That's a bit aggressive. He's 2. It's a bit early in his career to say he "can't even stick in the NHL".

Well he can't, yet. I'm absolutely of the belief that he probably will be able to stick in the NHL and be quite a bit better than Gagner, but as it stands right NOW, he can't stick in the NHL.

Though not many people expect infants to hold down the 3rd line, so that's fair.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

We should not be allowing child labour. Simple as that.

Fair!

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by strombad

Well he can't, yet. I'm absolutely of the belief that he probably will be able to stick in the NHL and be quite a bit better than Gagner, but as it stands right NOW, he can't stick in the NHL.

Though not many people expect infants to hold down the 3rd line, so that's fair.

Ok I'm a little tipsy...
The point is, to say he can't stick is a bit strong. If he had 3-5 full years and he hasn't, that's fair. But he hasn't yet stuck, after 51 games, that doesn't mean he can't or won't...

[strombad]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Ok I'm a little tipsy...

The point is, to say he can't stick is a bit strong. If he had 3-5 full years and he hasn't, that's fair. But he hasn't yet stuck, after 51 games, that doesn't mean he can't or won't...

Haha alright sure, it's all a bit heavy on the semantics, but I'm just as happy putting it that way.