[Trade] B. Morrow + 3rd to the Pens, J. Morrow + 5th to Dallas

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by badger89

Just check LeftWingLock.com. It'll tell you what line combos have actually been playing together. For the most part, it's been the following for LA...

Brown - Kopitar - Williams
Penner - Richards - Carter
King - Lewis - Stoll
Clifford - Fraser - Nolan

http://www.leftwinglock.com/line-com...gametype=ALL#A

Iggy's an upgrade on Williams on the top line for sure.

Brown-Kopitar-Iginla would be a very dangerous first line.

[Dr. Doom]

Why are there so many people against Bernier? Legitimate question (I don't know enough about him) I only know him by his stats which seem pretty solid over the years including junior?

[the_professsor]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Why are there so many people against Bernier? Legitimate question (I don't know enough about him) I only know him by his stats which seem pretty solid over the years including junior?

I think a lot of people are obsessed with filling the #1 center void (rightfully so).

That being said, you still need a #1 goalie, and its looking like our #1 pick should be low enough to get us that #1 center. I'd be happy with Bernier + pick coming back

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Why are there so many people against Bernier? Legitimate question (I don't know enough about him) I only know him by his stats which seem pretty solid over the years including junior?

The primary reason for me is that he is not an asset that we need. I think Kiprusoff is here for three more years, by which time either Brossoit or Gillies could take over. If Ramo turns out to be a homerun, Kiprusoff could be traded next year.

Bernier will be a UFA in 2 years. Imagine trading Iginla for a rebuild and the primary asset is gone before the team has even begun to improve.

Finally, some people think that Bernier is a franchise goalie. He has played 58 NHL games over 6 seasons. Look at Schneider - Schneider was more seasoned and more certain to be a #1 than Bernier. Assuming he is a slam dunk, sure fire #1 is a very risky proposition.

I would much rather have skaters - especially high end offensive talent - because that is what the Flames' prospect pool is most lacking

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The primary reason for me is that he is not an asset that we need. I think Kiprusoff is here for three more years, by which time either Brossoit or Gillies could take over. If Ramo turns out to be a homerun, Kiprusoff could be traded next year.

It's extraordinarily rare for goalies to break into the NHL as starters when they're 21-22. Brossoit and Gillies are 5-6 years away.

And you and I may not like the strategy, but it's clear the Flames' braintrust do not want to spend years in the wilderness. They want to turn this team around fast. The fastest way to to that is to replace Kipper with a 24-year-old goalie knocking on the door of being a quality NHL starter.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The primary reason for me is that he is not an asset that we need. I think Kiprusoff is here for three more years, by which time either Brossoit or Gillies could take over. If Ramo turns out to be a homerun, Kiprusoff could be traded next year.

Bernier will be a UFA in 2 years. Imagine trading Iginla for a rebuild and the primary asset is gone before the team has even begun to improve.

Finally, some people think that Bernier is a franchise goalie. He has played 58 NHL games over 6 seasons. Look at Schneider - Schneider was more seasoned and more certain to be a #1 than Bernier. Assuming he is a slam dunk, sure fire #1 is a very risky proposition.

I would much rather have skaters - especially high end offensive talent - because that is what the Flames' prospect pool is most lacking

To offer a counter viewpoint.

- Kipper is already showing steady deterioration in his game. Even if he is willing to play for a few more years, is he a capable #1 goalie still?
- You aren't going to acquire a proven young starter with Iginla. But Bernier is as close as you can get to a guy with enough pedigree that you can project him to be a good #1. There aren't many young goalies around the league I would take ahead of him
- Iginla isn't going to net you a #1 centre, or even #1 centre prospect

I think Bernier is a nice piece to get for Iginla. In a perfect world I would try to get Derek Forbot added as well - he hasn't developed greatly yet but still has some impressive raw abilities.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Then how can you fault them for trading for Brendan Morrow, who is a good enough checker to make the Canadian Olympic team in that role? He's a certainly a better defensive forward than Iginla.

I never faulted them for trading for Morrow. Was a great acquisition for them and probably a better fit for their needs than Iginla.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's extraordinarily rare for goalies to break into the NHL as starters when they're 21-22. Brossoit and Gillies are 5-6 years away.

And you and I may not like the strategy, but it's clear the Flames' braintrust do not want to spend years in the wilderness. They want to turn this team around fast. The fastest way to to that is to replace Kipper with a 24-year-old goalie knocking on the door of being a quality NHL starter.

Goalies typically take longer. But it is not 'extraordinarily rare'. Gillies is 6'5" and already tecnically sound.

The Flames can fill their goaltending holes for a few years while they are rebuilding.

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

To offer a counter viewpoint.

- Kipper is already showing steady deterioration in his game. Even if he is willing to play for a few more years, is he a capable #1 goalie still?
- You aren't going to acquire a proven young starter with Iginla. But Bernier is as close as you can get to a guy with enough pedigree that you can project him to be a good #1. There aren't many young goalies around the league I would take ahead of him
- Iginla isn't going to net you a #1 centre, or even #1 centre prospect

I think Bernier is a nice piece to get for Iginla. In a perfect world I would try to get Derek Forbot added as well - he hasn't developed greatly yet but still has some impressive raw abilities.

No he's not. He was great last year. So unless 'steady deterioration' means this year...

Also, Kipper didn't play during the lockout. Training camp included no actual games. Kipper is typically a slow starter. Several veteran goalies got off to slow starts this year.

Just when Kipper started to get going, he got hurt. He played well last night - let's see how things go before we write him off as a has been.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by Rudee

Iggy is too slow for Pittsburghs style of play. He will NOT be going to Pittsburgh.

I never said he was going to Pittsburgh especially after they picked up Morrow. Saying he is too slow for their style of play is hilarious though.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Why are there so many people against Bernier? Legitimate question (I don't know enough about him) I only know him by his stats which seem pretty solid over the years including junior?

IMO...

A: Goaltender performance varies so much year to year
B: He's not the starting goaltender for LA... Jarome Iginla for someone that the Kings don't value higher then Quick (who I personally don't think that high of anyways... I don't think lowly of him but at the same time he doesn't wow me)? No thanks,
C: Fair amount of organizational depth at the position already.
D: More of a medium term asset... If the team is trading Iginla then it needs to think long-term.

I'd rather the team see what it has in Ramo in the short-term and get other assets that can later be flipped in whole or in part to address goaltending if Ramo turns out to be a bust.

[drPepper1]

Hamilton, Spooner or Khokhlachev and first for Iginla get err done Feaster

[dammage79]

So where did I read that Kyle Beach thinks he is heading to CGY?

Big winger. 23 years old. not having a half bad season in the AHL.

TT-Beach and a first for Iggy? Is that good?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So where did I read that Kyle Beach thinks he is heading to CGY?

Kyle Beach?

FML if he's a key piece in any Iginla trade. Pretty much the equivalent of Greg Nemisz.

Hey, maybe it's a Nemisz/Beach swap?

ROFL

[sureLoss]

Kyle Beach was apparently joking on his twitter feed that he was heading to Calgary. He has since removed it.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by dammage79

TT-Beach and a fist for Iggy? is that good?

That would be an absolute disaster (unless of course said fist belonged to Evgeni Malkin.)

[Gondi Stylez]

I've posted before what some deemed a crazy proposal but with Morrow fetching what many on here wanted as a piece in the JI sweepstakes I may not have been too far off. Boston is a great trading partner and I think if we play our cards right (and I think we have) we should get a first, spooner, krug (second teir prospect) and a cap dump in either peveely or Horton. We may have to add a prospect or pick but if iggy wants to resign with said team they could be willing mortgage

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by dammage79

TT-Beach and a fist for Iggy? is that good?

I'm assuming that fist is Bowman's directed at Feaster's behind.

That would be a terrible trade.

[dammage79]

I was just curious. I would love Teravainen but I knew nothing of what Beach is outside of looking up his stats and Wiki bio so there ya go.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Rudee

Iggy is too slow for Pittsburghs style of play. He will NOT be going to Pittsburgh.

Iginla isn't that slow bro

[MrMastodonFarm]

The Pens have just picked up the super speedy 32 year old Douglas Murray.

Oh Rudee.