I'm pretty sure Anders' base is filled with a bunch of old people who like how he "riles up them lefties!".
I believe the preferred term now is "libtards."
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Here's an interesting comparison Trudeau and his experience compared to other leaders/PMs. Maybe the most striking thing is how unqualified almost all of them seem in this context....save for Paul Martin.
Paul Martin was the first leader that I was excited to have. I didn't follow politics much before that, but I always thought he would be great if given the chance.
Since he got out I swung my support to Stephen Harper, but I still think that given the opportunity he could have been a great leader.
Boneheaded? Try enlightened. Harper and the NDP are framing this as a soft on terrorism indication, but they are just proving how they are the ones on the defensive against his growing popularity.
Trudeau was questioned by Mansbridge hours after reports came out and simply responded to Peter's hypothetical scenario, Harper and the NDP are the ones who are politicizing the Boston bombings in an effort to control the narrative on the new leader.
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^^^ Thats a spin. Trudeau is showing sympathy/rationalization for a criminal act instead of compassion for the victims. Leblanc put up a really good fight, but he has little to work with. A PM cannot send mixed signals at such a time, it has to be a strong message condemning the act.
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^^^ Thats a spin. Trudeau is showing sympathy/rationalization for a criminal act instead of compassion for the victims. Regardless of weather its right or wrong, its a blunder and shows inexperience. Leblanc put up a really good fight, but it was very weak. A PM cannot send mixed signals at such a time.
Everything is spin. Harper's response was an attempt to spin Trudeau's comments to score political points in a very unethical way.
Trudeau is trying to show that he wants to be the type of leader that approaches issues in an intelligent way, fixing causes rather than simply applying bandaids to symptoms.
^^^ Thats a spin. Trudeau is showing sympathy/rationalization for a criminal act instead of compassion for the victims. Leblanc put up a really good fight, but he has little to work with. A PM cannot send mixed signals at such a time, it has to be a strong message condemning the act.
I don't see how saying, "We need to address the root causes of terrorism" is sending mixed signals to anyone. It's a point that has been lost on too many politicians since 9/11.
I've said repeatedly throughout this thread that my opinion of Trudeau can at best be described as lukewarm, but I actually gained respect for him for that comment. If he ever becomes PM, hopefully he has a similar view about the war on drugs. Harper thinks the solution to that problem is to build megaprisons and institute mandatory minimum sentences for drug crimes; I'd rather we had a leader who takes a more holistic and long-term approach.
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And literally the first thing he said was express compassion for the victims. Here's a transcript of the entire quote:
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PETER MANSBRIDGE (HOST, CBC’S “MANSBRIDGE ONE ON ONE“):
Let me try to ask this as fairly as I can, because it’s only a couple of hours after something has happened that clearly was not an accident, in Boston. People have died, many people are injured. You’re the Canadian prime minister, what do you do?
JUSTIN TRUDEAU (LEADER OF THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA):
First thing, you offer support and sympathy and condolences and, you know, can we send down, you know, EMTs or, I mean, as we contributed after 9/11? I mean, is there any material immediate support we have we can offer? And then at the same time, you know, over the coming days, we have to look at the root causes. Now we don’t know now whether it was, you know, terrorism or a single crazy or, you know, a domestic issue or a foreign issue, I mean, all of those questions. But there is no question that this happened because there is someone who feels completely excluded, completely at war with innocents, at war with a society. And our approach has to be, okay, where do those tensions come from? I mean, yes, we need to make sure that we’re promoting security and we’re, you know, keeping our borders safe and, you know, monitoring the kinds of, you know, violent subgroups that happen around. But we also have to monitor and encourage people to not point fingers at each other and lay blame for personal ills or societal ills on a specific group, whether it be the West or the government or Bostonians or whatever it is, because it’s that idea of dividing humans against ourselves, of pointing out that they’re not like us and, you know, in order to achieve our political goals we can kill innocents here. That’s something that no society in the world that is healthy, regardless of ideology, will accept.
JUSTIN TRUDEAU (LEADER OF THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA):
First thing, you offer support and sympathy and condolences and, you know, can we send down, you know, EMTs or, I mean, as we contributed after 9/11? I mean, is there any material immediate support we have we can offer? And then at the same time, you know, over the coming days, we have to look at the root causes. Now we don’t know now whether it was, you know, terrorism or a single crazy or, you know, a domestic issue or a foreign issue, I mean, all of those questions. But there is no question that this happened because there is someone who feels completely excluded, completely at war with innocents, at war with a society. And our approach has to be, okay, where do those tensions come from? I mean, yes, we need to make sure that we’re promoting security and we’re, you know, keeping our borders safe and, you know, monitoring the kinds of, you know, violent subgroups that happen around. But we also have to monitor and encourage people to not point fingers at each other and lay blame for personal ills or societal ills on a specific group, whether it be the West or the government or Bostonians or whatever it is, because it’s that idea of dividing humans against ourselves, of pointing out that they’re not like us and, you know, in order to achieve our political goals we can kill innocents here. That’s something that no society in the world that is healthy, regardless of ideology, will accept.
That was painful to read, someone get that kid a teleprompter.
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^^^ Thats a spin. Trudeau is showing sympathy/rationalization for a criminal act instead of compassion for the victims. Leblanc put up a really good fight, but he has little to work with. A PM cannot send mixed signals at such a time, it has to be a strong message condemning the act.
Good lord. It's back to this already?
Without knowing who committed this crime, or why, lets just say the person/people behind this crime hate us for our freedoms.
Everybody satisfied?
And I just know that whoever's nephew it was that put together that hilarious attack ad is now busy splicing together something based on this manufactured, idiotic "controversy". I hope he got a note from his teacher for after-hours access to the computer lab.
The thing about all the bitching about the attack ads is that they work, albeit only to a point. The Liberals were able to hold the Conservatives to a couple minorities using the "he's scary" attacks. It kind of bombed the third time around though, especially given the American Tourist line of ads was ultimately more persuasive. Given this has been SOP for both parties for a long time now, the melodramatic reaction from some has been rather hilarious.
I don't see how saying, "We need to address the root causes of terrorism" is sending mixed signals to anyone. It's a point that has been lost on too many politicians since 9/11.
I've said repeatedly throughout this thread that my opinion of Trudeau can at best be described as lukewarm, but I actually gained respect for him for that comment. If he ever becomes PM, hopefully he has a similar view about the war on drugs. Harper thinks the solution to that problem is to build megaprisons and institute mandatory minimum sentences for drug crimes; I'd rather we had a leader who a more holistic and long-term approach.
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And literally the first thing he said was express compassion for the victims. Here's a transcript of the entire quote:
Obviously a terrorist sympathizer. If the Conservatives aren't worried about Trudeau, they're doing a poor job of showing it.
On top of that the "Quebec" comment was totally taken out of context. He was in an interview and was referring to some Quebecers attitudes that they deserved more than average Canadians during his fathers time as PM. Swing and a miss Stevie.
you say swing and a miss but sadly it's that type of low hanging fruit that sticks with what is likely a majority of voters
Most people won't care enough to look up the source to see if it was out of context
Way too early for these ads and attacks to matter, and besides that fact the NDP and CPC are making the mistake of legitimizing Trudeau as a serious threat already, even while a lot of people still aren't even sure what he's about. Should be paying no attention to him and just letting him either sink or swim on his own.
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The thing about all the bitching about the attack ads is that they work, albeit only to a point. The Liberals were able to hold the Conservatives to a couple minorities using the "he's scary" attacks. It kind of bombed the third time around though, especially given the American Tourist line of ads was ultimately more persuasive. Given this has been SOP for both parties for a long time now, the melodramatic reaction from some has been rather hilarious.
I think taking shots at people and their views while they walk in slow motion black and white shots is fair game and has been for some time.
Eg... Ooooo scary Harper made some comment about his personal belief for restricting abortion rights. By extension he will jam such beliefs down our throats.
Outright lying and just personal mockery - attributing a quote to someone who was paraphrasing someone else and making fun of someone for dancing around at a charity auction is scummy and unethical. I would even say that in my memory it's the greasiest Canadian attack ad I can remember.
I agree with the earlier poster, it almost mad me angry enough to donate money, if only I didn't find Trudeau seems, to steal your words, melodramatic and a bit irritating. I dunno though, in the battle of who I dislike the least of him, Beardo McWindbag and the Stevebot he's almost inching ahead. It's a sad race full of losers right now though.
I would even say that in my memory it's the greasiest Canadian attack ad I can remember.
Nah, that dubious honour goes to an ad from the 1993 campaign that was so bad that even the Conservative Party's own candidates issued personal apologies to Jean Chretien.
Conservative attack ads against Justin Trudeau have turned into a financial boon for the Liberal party.
The party raised $336,000 in the 48 hours following Trudeau’s landslide victory in the Liberal leadership race Sunday.
Officials say that’s more than double the party’s previous top haul for an e-mail fundraising campaign.
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“The Conservatives are already back in the gutter,” he said in the Monday evening e-mail blast.
“Now they’re using pictures from a charity fashion show to attack me and undermine what we’ve built ... They’ve seen what we can do and they’re desperately trying to drown us out with the childish, food-fight politics.”
The e-mail also urged people to donate to the Canadian Liver Foundation, the charity for which Trudeau stripped off his jacket, tie and shirt at a fundraising gala in 2011.
The foundation reports it has received almost $10,000 in donations over the past two days – more than twice what it normally receives in unsolicited donations in a month.
Way too early for these ads and attacks to matter, and besides that fact the NDP and CPC are making the mistake of legitimizing Trudeau as a serious threat already, even while a lot of people still aren't even sure what he's about. Should be paying no attention to him and just letting him either sink or swim on his own.
I don't think you have a clue about what the proper strategy should be. The attack ads are effective. Think back to when they rolled them out against Ignatieff. By the time that he actually started campaigning, there had already been a full year of attack ads hitting the Canadian voters. The guy never had a chance. Anyone that thinks Trudeau has a shot is just kidding themselves. Listen to the man speak and you will know what I am talking about. Conservatives may not get another majority, but they won't lose to this:
Is that riling up the base or bringing in new support though?
Given how they were destroyed the last election, does it matter? People think the Liberals are a legitimate party again, and they're happy they don't have to choose between the NDP's 32 hour work week and Captain Unlikable.
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