Big Brother 2012! (warning: spoilers)

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

I'm assuming loser girl is Jenn? If it wasn't for her being hideous and Joe screaming we'd never even know the two of them are in the house.

To give Joe at least a little bit of credit... he's got a decent nose for shannagans. He correctly reasoned that the Dan/Dani "fight" was all a sham, that Dan and Frank made a deal before anyone else questioned it, and is self-aware of his status as floater... of course he's so off on other things it's hard to give him credit but he's not a total waste. Same with Wil he had some skills but to many weakness in other area's to compensate.

Jenn's a total slug though, she's painfully self-unaware. Her only value in the game right now is as a goat. Consistent floaters at least have the possibility of a bitter jury awarding them the dough. Jenn's sat out so much of the game that she won't get enough cred for making a move to beat a gamer, but the move that she did make is enough to put a target on her back. Either be a gamer or be a floater but don't try to be both. Bad at competitions, didn't make any sort of strategic moves until now (too late IMO), and her social game turns to #### when she faces adversity (she flipped out at being used as a pawn... as if she'd go home over Boogie).

If I were to rank them in terms of "worthy" winners I'd go thus...

Dan
Ian
Danielle
Shane
Frank
Joe
Jenn

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Dan
Ian
Danielle
Shane
Frank
Joe
Jenn

Danielle ahead of Shane and Frank?

Me thinks no.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Dan
Ian
Danielle
Shane
Frank
Joe
Jenn

No way

Dan
Frank
Ian
Shane
Danielle
Jenn
Joe

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Danielle ahead of Shane and Frank?

Sadly, yes. She's bat####crazy but look at what she's got going on...

1: Theorhetical final 2 deals with 5 of the remaining 7 houseguests
2: She's good (albeit not great) at competitions
3: Everyone likes her (they really need to compare notes more often).
4: Two really solid allies

Her one weakness is that she doesn't have a good strategic game... but she's let Dan (one of the best strategists ever) do that for her. In spite of all the crazy she's a pretty good all around player. The only hole in her armour right now is the "fight" with Dan (and her consequential pre-knowledge/involvement with Britney's eviction). I only put her under Ian because Ian doesn't need someone else to do his strategy for him and he's better at comps.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Sadly, yes. She's bat####crazy but look at what she's got going on...

1: Theorhetical final 2 deals with 5 of the remaining 7 houseguests
2: She's good (albeit not great) at competitions
3: Everyone likes her (they really need to compare notes more often).
4: Two really solid allies.

Okay, you're making good points as to why she might win but not why she would be a "worthy" winner. She isn't Jenn or Joe.. but I don't think she's Shane, Frank, Ian or Dan either.

She's won an HoH, a legit good win and she has a good social game... but she isn't dominating comps like Shane or Frank, or driving her game forward like Dan or Ian through moves and deals.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yes, probably. I've only been watching since All-Stars but that's by far the best move I've seen. Dan managed to get the guy who hated him the most (Frank) get a total non-player (Jenn) to use the veto on him. You say it was his only option, which might be true, but no other player in the game has done what he did earlier this week.

Oilfan mentioned it as being the best moment since that diamond veto thing.. but it's even better then that because this wasn't a power the game provided him.. damn had his back against the wall and instead of covering up and taking the hits.. he punched his way out of it.

I never said that. That was someone else. I compared it to Dan's replacement nominee roulette in season 10. That was also epic.

[OILFAN #81]

Spoilers on who the HOH is probably going to put up after talks with other houseguests:

Spoiler!

It looks like Ian will put up Frank and Jenn as the nominees. Ian is closest to Shane/Danielle and is telling everyone that they (Shane/Danielle) are the only 2 off limits. After talking to Shane/Danielle, they all agree that putting up Frank/Jenn and then Joe as the replacement is the best way to go. The 4 remaining members of the Quack Pack just had a meeting and are reunited. Good news for Dan.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Okay, you're making good points as to why she might win but not why she would be a "worthy" winner.

That's a matter of taste really. I like (consider worthier) folk with a good all-around game, if you have a terrible game in one aspect you best be really good in another. That's how Dan rates as #1... he hasn't won squat (by design or circumstance) in terms of competitions but his strategic game is on a higher plain then what the rest are operating at.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Spoilers on who the HOH is probably going to put up after talks with other houseguests:

Spoiler!

It looks like Ian will put up Frank and Jenn as the nominees. Ian is closest to Shane/Danielle and is telling everyone that they (Shane/Danielle) are the only 2 off limits. After talking to Shane/Danielle, they all agree that putting up Frank/Jenn and then Joe as the replacement is the best way to go. The 4 remaining members of the Quack Pack just had a meeting and are reunited. Good news for Dan.

Spoiler!

he still has a wild allegiance to Britney though, based on his reactions at the veto and her eviction

my guess is that Frank spills at some point that Danielle was fully in on getting Britney out, might be after Veto comp if Frank loses it, and thinks change

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Jenn's a total slug though, she's painfully self-unaware. Her only value in the game right now is as a goat.

I can't stand her, but she did give me one of the best laughs in last nights episode. It was when Julie asked her about the decision to use the veto on Dan and she said it was "the hardest for her of the entire summer".

No kidding. As opposed to "what should I have for dinner?" or "should I take a shower now or wait a little later?" or "should I lay around on the couch inside today or maybe in a hammock outside?"

[d_phaneuf]

Shane is down there with Joe/Jenn in terms of winning for me

he has played follow the leader all game, he agrees with everything people tell him, the difference between him and Joe is a few HOH wins which Dan/Britney basically ran

I would have

Dan/Frank

Frank for competitions, Dan for doing all his work outside comps

Ian
Danielle

Shane
Jenn
Joe

[THowie]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

No way

Dan
Frank
Ian
Shane
Danielle
Jenn
Joe

I agree. That's why I think Frank was wrong to keep Dan. He should have kept him on the block and gotten him out when he had the chance.

[Kybosh]

I think Frank goes out this week. He definitely should've got rid of Dan when he could have.

[trackercowe]

Yeah Frank is as good as gone if he doesn't win the POV. The only person who would vote to keep him is Jenn (who would likely be on the block with him anyway).

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Slava

I can't stand her, but she did give me one of the best laughs in last nights episode. It was when Julie asked her about the decision to use the veto on Dan and she said it was "the hardest for her of the entire summer".

No kidding. As opposed to "what should I have for dinner?" or "should I take a shower now or wait a little later?" or "should I lay around on the couch inside today or maybe in a hammock outside?"

LOL. When we watched that I looked at my wife and was like "That was her ONLY decision of the summer"

[OILFAN #81]

Nomination spoilers:

Spoiler!

Ian nominated Frank and Jenn.

[calgarybornnraised]

Spoiler!

Why would Ian not try and backdoor Frank?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by calgarybornnraised

Spoiler!

Why would Ian not try and backdoor Frank?

Spoiler!

Because he isn't that smart, I'd laugh if Frank won another POV.

[BlackRedGold25]

Originally Posted by calgarybornnraised

Spoiler!

Why would Ian not try and backdoor Frank?

Because if he played, won and used it then he'd be screwed.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by calgarybornnraised

Spoiler!

Why would Ian not try and backdoor Frank?

Spoiler!

Ian wants Frank or Jenn out. If he never nominated Frank to begin with, Frank would still have a 3/4 chance in playing in the POV anyways. If Frank won the POV and wasn't nominated, he would use it on Jenn and they would both be safe. Ian does not want Danielle, Shane or Dan out this week. He has said his targets are 1: Frank and 2: Jenn. By putting them up right away, he ensures one is gone.