Better than just sitting there when he points it at your face and pulls the trigger? I don't know, I'd atleast want to have a fighting chance instead of just sitting there and being absolutely helpless.
They weren't absolutely helpless as he was shot by a officer in the room.
The guy was a bear. Looked to be about 6'3 and 300 pounds. I have a hard time believing anyone of those guys or even if a couple came at him would have a chance.
He would have probably just executed them on the spot.
The lady is lucky he seemed to somewhat have a strong respect for woman as he let all the woman leave the room or she would be dead too.
He was shot by any officer AFTER he started shooting. All you have to do is lock the arm. Its definitely a daunting task but its easier than most would think.
Not that anything like that would ever be condoned, but it blows my mind that half a dozen people just watched her and a)no body helped her or b)used that opportunity to run.
Yah, but you're evaluating their options watching a youtube video in front of your computer. You don't have a loaded gun pointed at you by a crazy person. They were probably freaked out of their minds and didn't know how to react.
I agree that woman was freaking stupid though and she was pretty lucky the gunman didn't just open fire and kill everyone right there.
After a few of the YouTube comments caught my eye I had to remind myself never to read YouTube comments "an armed society is a polite society"
I have a lot of respect for the chairman, he tried to be civil, determine what the guy was after, and campaigned for the release of the others in the room. Some people you just can't talk to, the gunman was one of them.
Thankfully the entire society isn't armed and trained, otherwise the gunman wouldn't have missed.
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IMO the chairman is kind of a dolt... He clearly dosent know how to calm people down when they are upset.
When someone is angry and holding a gun the worst thing you can do is argue with them or escalate the stress levels. He should have just asked him if his wife would have wanted this etc. At least buy yourself enough time to get the cops in there.
After a few of the YouTube comments caught my eye I had to remind myself never to read YouTube comments "an armed society is a polite society"
I have a lot of respect for the chairman, he tried to be civil, determine what the guy was after, and campaigned for the release of the others in the room. Some people you just can't talk to, the gunman was one of them.
Thankfully the entire society isn't armed and trained, otherwise the gunman wouldn't have missed.
IMO the chairman is kind of a dolt... He clearly dosent know how to calm people down when they are upset.
When someone is angry and holding a gun the worst thing you can do is argue with them or escalate the stress levels. He should have just asked him if his wife would have wanted this etc. At least buy yourself enough time to get the cops in there.
IMO, you're a dolt. The chairman was calm and reasonable, and did just fine.
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My personal philosophy is to never read them, but sometimes they're right at the bottom of the screen and you do it inadvertently. I wish YouTube would get rid of them.
I loathe when people use YouTube comments to support an argument, if you do that, you lose. Period.
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As economic conditions worsen and more people become desperate like this, we will see more snap shows like this one in the near future, ..and predictably the media will use these occurances to demonize the 2nd amendment.
But seriously, what a failure this guy is. When he fired at the one guy from just a few feet away I was certain he was using blanks.
IMO the chairman is kind of a dolt... He clearly dosent know how to calm people down when they are upset.
When someone is angry and holding a gun the worst thing you can do is argue with them or escalate the stress levels. He should have just asked him if his wife would have wanted this etc. At least buy yourself enough time to get the cops in there.
I'm going to have to disagree with you. I was thoroughly impressed with how the chairman tried to talk the man out of it. He was calm and collected and never panicked. Given the circumstance, he saved a lot of people there by negotiating to have the rest of the people leave.
There's a real misnomer about pistols because of Western movies that you can hit a guy a mile a way with a pistol.
In a stressful position with a shorter pistol like that your effective range drops to feet instead of yards.
It also looks like he was aiming high. He either didn't want to hurt them, or he was trying for a head shot which is tough to do for an inexperienced or stressed shooter.
His stance was all wrong as well, that one handed pistol thing doesn't work real well because your hand eats the recoil. If your going to shoot with a pistol, you want a two handed weaver stance I think its called, it allows you to control the recoil much better.
As far as the chairman, it was clear that he wasn't trained in hostage negotiations. But who is?
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IMO the chairman is kind of a dolt... He clearly dosent know how to calm people down when they are upset.
When someone is angry and holding a gun the worst thing you can do is argue with them or escalate the stress levels. He should have just asked him if his wife would have wanted this etc. At least buy yourself enough time to get the cops in there.
The chairman was trying to figure out what the gunman wanted, he was aware that the gunman's interests lied with his wife. That's why he kept going back to find out who his wife was, what she did, keep him focused on her.
By simply telling the gunman what he wanted to her he would have been dismissive, as evidenced by the person sitting next to the chairman that said he'd help his wife get a new job. He wasn't interested in that. We're not sure what he was interested in.
The argument you're talking about is over the raising of taxes. Not knowing if the chairman was right/wrong, I'll assume he did campaign on having sales tax to support public schools. If that's true, he was merely correcting the gunman's mistaken belief. Was that the right thing to do? At the time I think so, as the gunman was actually rather calm until he held up the gun and started pulling the trigger.
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As far as the chairman, it was clear that he wasn't trained in hostage negotiations. But who is?
Yeah, exactly.
There have been some pretty dumb comments in this thread. We all would love to think we are Kevin Spacey in The Negotiator in this situation, but I am not going to pretend that when I have a loaded pointed at me by Dan Conner I'm going to have my wits about me.
The chairman was trying to figure out what the gunman wanted, he was aware that the gunman's interests lied with his wife. That's why he kept going back to find out who his wife was, what she did, keep him focused on her.
By simply telling the gunman what he wanted to her he would have been dismissive, as evidenced by the person sitting next to the chairman that said he'd help his wife get a new job. He wasn't interested in that. We're not sure what he was interested in.
The argument you're talking about is over the raising of taxes. Not knowing if the chairman was right/wrong, I'll assume he did campaign on having sales tax to support public schools. If that's true, he was merely correcting the gunman's mistaken belief. Was that the right thing to do? At the time I think so, as the gunman was actually rather calm until he held up the gun and started pulling the trigger.
I'm fairly certain the last thing you want to do to a pissed off, crazy dude with a gun is disagree with him.
With that many people in the room his best course of action would have been agreeing to whatever the hell the gunman wanted. If you cave into all of his demands maybe he'll leave - that is why he came in in the first place. At the very least it buys you time.
There's a real misnomer about pistols because of Western movies that you can hit a guy a mile a way with a pistol.
In a stressful position with a shorter pistol like that your effective range drops to feet instead of yards.
It also looks like he was aiming high. He either didn't want to hurt them, or he was trying for a head shot which is tough to do for an inexperienced or stressed shooter.
His stance was all wrong as well, that one handed pistol thing doesn't work real well because your hand eats the recoil. If your going to shoot with a pistol, you want a two handed weaver stance I think its called, it allows you to control the recoil much better.
As far as the chairman, it was clear that he wasn't trained in hostage negotiations. But who is?
Aiming high? it looked like the bullet hit the desk
