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Drury18 · 12-09-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Not really surprising. Read through some of the stuff on their site:
http://www.salvationarmy.org/ind/www...7?opendocument

While this shouldn't shock me as I have seen many of the inner workings of some of the more prominent charities in Calgary, I find some of these views rather disturbing.

How do you heal alcohol addiction? Turn to God.

Got Divorced? You're a failure.

Like Porn? Well you must not have morals.

This though, sets the bar for their gems:

The Army regards the origins of a homosexual orientation as a mystery and does not regard a homosexual disposition as blameworthy in itself or rectifiable at will. Nevertheless, while we are not responsible for what we are, we are accountable for what we do; and homosexual conduct, like heterosexual conduct, is controllable and may be morally evaluated therefore in the light of scriptural teaching.

"We can't blame you for being gay, but we will".

Knalus · 12-09-2010, 11:29 AM

Actually, in light of many of the previous comments made by reactionary posters, I think I will be considering donating to the Sally Ann for the first time this year. With the silly negative reactions here, it appears they need my donations more than ever. Thanks CP for helping me choose a charity this year.

TurnedTheCorner · 12-09-2010, 12:37 PM

Go away, Salvation Army. You've done good work, it's time to make room for an organization with some energy and freshness to help out. You're no longer relevant.

alltherage · 12-09-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Go away, Salvation Army. You've done good work, it's time to make room for an organization with some energy and freshness help out. You're no longer relevant.

That's ass-backwards. They don't have to make room for anyone! Charities can start up whenever they want!

TurnedTheCorner · 12-09-2010, 12:41 PM

The Salvation Army is wearing out a public that might be more inclined to donate to a charity that wasn't so stuck in its ways. It puts all charitable organizations in a bad light.

ken0042 · 12-09-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Go away, Salvation Army. You've done good work, it's time to make room for an organization with some energy and freshness to help out. You're no longer relevant.

Really? While I will agree that they could have handled this a bit better; what you are saying is that low income families should suffer for a few years until somebody else comes along?

I could see this outrage if they were refusing to deliver hampers to homes that had these toys inside; however they are just no re-distributing these toys in their name. Last night on the radio they said these donated toys were being sent to other charities; to be donated in their name.

Bill Bumface · 12-09-2010, 12:44 PM

Apparently Operation Christmas Child (the shoebox one) pretty much makes kids convert if they want to get their box of crap. Brutal.

alltherage · 12-09-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Drury18

This though, sets the bar for their gems:

The Army regards the origins of a homosexual orientation as a mystery and does not regard a homosexual disposition as blameworthy in itself or rectifiable at will. Nevertheless, while we are not responsible for what we are, we are accountable for what we do; and homosexual conduct, like heterosexual conduct, is controllable and may be morally evaluated therefore in the light of scriptural teaching.

"We can't blame you for being gay, but we will".

They aren't saying "We can't blame you for being gay, but we will", they are saying "Homosexuality is not a sin, acting upon it is". It's the same as "Sex is not a sin, but sex before marriage is".

While you might not agree with it, you are twisting it to sound worse than it is.

Many Christians beleive that sex is for pro-creation within a married, family unit, end of story. That's their general problem with pre-marital Homosexuality... it's not a hate thing. The same rules apply to unwed people, promiscuous people etc. It's just that Homosexuals have done a fantastic job of fighting for equality etc so now everyone is super sensetive to them.

Let me just say that I was raised in a Catholic family, and not only do I not agree with what I have clarified here, but I don't live my life this way. I am just trying to shed some light on where the teachings come from because I happen to have been taught this.

alltherage · 12-09-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Lets not blanket statement all christians or anything.

Sorry about that... I didn't mean it to come off that way... maybe a little pent-up rage came out from past experiences growing up in an overly christian household! Edited.

TurnedTheCorner · 12-09-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

Really? While I will agree that they could have handled this a bit better; what you are saying is that low income families should suffer for a few years until somebody else comes along?

I could see this outrage if they were refusing to deliver hampers to homes that had these toys inside; however they are just no re-distributing these toys in their name. Last night on the radio they said these donated toys were being sent to other charities; to be donated in their name.

It's a combination of this combined with their annual "OH NOES THE KETTLE DONATIONS ARE DOWN" plea. When you have a public that wants to donate, but you have an outdated fundraising model and restrictive covenants on what you accept, it's time to get in touch with why you're a charitable organization in the first place. Keep with the times or get out of the way.

I'm not outraged. Just weary of the SA.

Phaneuf3 · 12-09-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alltherage

They aren't saying "We can't blame you for being gay, but we will", they are saying "Homosexuality is not a sin, acting upon it is". It's the same as "Sex is not a sin, but sex before marriage is".

While you might not agree with it, you are twisting it to sound worse than it is.

Well, they don't exactly help their case when they lobby the US government for exemptions to anti-discrimination laws so they can do things like refuse to hire homosexuals employees or deny benefits and medical coverage to same sex partners. They've gone as far as threatening to close all their NY soup kitchens to try to get their way.

alltherage · 12-09-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Well, they don't exactly help their case when they lobby the US government for exemptions to anti-discrimination laws so they can do things like refuse to hire homosexuals employees or deny benefits and medical coverage to same sex partners. They've gone as far as threatening to close all their NY soup kitchens to try to get their way.

Well we're in a time in the world where everyone wants their freedoms backed by the law. Christian preists shouldn't have to preform marriage ceremonies for gay people either.

At some point when one freedom overlaps another, you've just got to do your best to make concessions or go your seperate ways. I don't know why a homosexual would want to work for a charity that is against homosexual acts in the first place. There are choices out there. What motivates them to go straight to the place where they will get rejected or meet opposition?

ken0042 · 12-09-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

It's a combination of this combined with their annual "OH NOES THE KETTLE DONATIONS ARE DOWN" plea. When you have a public that wants to donate, but you have an outdated fundraising model and restrictive covenants on what you accept, it's time to get in touch with why you're a charitable organization in the first place. Keep with the times or get out of the way.

I'm not outraged. Just weary of the SA.

I guess I would say that any charity who is short of their goals goes on to say "please give more to help us meet our goals." I've seen the Poppy Fund saying it was coming up short, United Way, countless telethons, etc. Personally I prefer this method of campaign as opposed to getting phone calls during supper, or people knocking on my door. Christmas time and as I spend gobs of money on my family I hear the jingling of bells and I am reminded to share some of my fortune.

I would also like to know who's way you think they are in?

Last point; if a Jewish Synagogue was having a food drive; would you blame them for rejecting canned hams?

Phaneuf3 · 12-09-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

Last point; if a Jewish Synagogue was having a food drive; would you blame them for rejecting canned hams?

If they're accepting them and then throwing them out - yes. (according to some reports this is what's happening at the salvation army with these toys)
If they're turning them down or giving them to other charities to distribute - no. (according to other reports, this is what's happening at the salvation army)

I would however blame them if they outright refused to work with or for non-jews, homosexuals, black people, women or whatever other group someone might want to discriminate against.

alltherage · 12-09-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

Last point; if a Jewish Synagogue was having a food drive; would you blame them for rejecting canned hams?

Or if mormons rejected and re-distributed chocolate?

Bertuzzied · 12-09-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Knalus

Actually, in light of many of the previous comments made by reactionary posters, I think I will be considering donating to the Sally Ann for the first time this year. With the silly negative reactions here, it appears they need my donations more than ever. Thanks CP for helping me choose a charity this year.

Just don't donate evil things like Harry Potter and Twilight.

How about X-men toys? I'm sure Christianity doesn't take to mutants well.

Bertuzzied · 12-09-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Apparently Operation Christmas Child (the shoebox one) pretty much makes kids convert if they want to get their box of crap. Brutal.

REALLY????? need more info. That is pretty brutal if true.

Locke · 12-09-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

REALLY????? need more info. That is pretty brutal if true.

It was a news story a couple years back, but yeah, thats basically the gist of it. No shoeboxes for the heathens.

Bertuzzied · 12-09-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

It was a news story a couple years back, but yeah, thats basically the gist of it. No shoeboxes for the heathens.

We just donated over 80 shoeboxes from my work this year. Maybe it's time we look somewhere else next year for our charity drives.

Drury18 · 12-09-2010, 01:44 PM

I'm sure this will be ripped apart by some as not "informational" but this is what I've seen about the program as well on a few websites and email's:

http://beforeitsnews.org/story/270/3..._in_a_Box.html

There's also a piece that was in the Calgary Herald in late November as well about the program and swaying the EMS away from it:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/...814/story.html